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[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Impressive usage of capital letters here. I could really hear you yelling at the computer screen.

Seriously though, why read the Quran Dilemma? Why not read the actual Quran? Tells you much more. It's about as horrible as the Bible. Sometimes worse, sometimes better.

The Quran promotes DECEIT, and characterizes Allahibaba as the "Greatest Deceiver of all" LITERALLY (Sura 3:54) No where in the Bible does it promote deceit or characterize God as a LIAR.

[Danth]

It's hard to compare the two holy books. The Koran is portrayed as the literal word of God, written down by a single individual--a single, perfect, cohesive narrative. You're not really even supposed to translate it. By contrast the various books which compose the Bible were written by many different people over the span of centuries. Even if you limit yourself strictly to the New Testament you're looking at multiple authors, who didn't always agree on everything, with the most prolific being the self-described apostle Paul. He was something of an angry man who made use of the then-small Christian movement for his own political ends after Jesus' death (they never met). Given his dominance of the New Testament and his influence on the early church, the Christian faith is really more of a Paulsian faith, but that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Simply put, if you argue with the Bible, you're simply arguing with Paul's or Luke's opinions and interpretations. If you argue with the Koran you're arguing against the (purported) direct word of God himself. The constant re-interpretations and infighting of the christian churches were one of the very issues Muhammed sought to resolve.

Danth

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to compare the two holy books. The Koran is portrayed as the literal word of God, written down by a single individual--a single, perfect, cohesive narrative. You're not really even supposed to translate it. By contrast the various books which compose the Bible were written by many different people over the span of centuries. Even if you limit yourself strictly to the New Testament you're looking at multiple authors, who didn't always agree on everything, with the most prolific being the self-described apostle Paul. He was something of an angry man who made use of the then-small Christian movement for his own political ends after Jesus' death (they never met). Given his dominance of the New Testament and his influence on the early church, the Christian faith is really more of a Paulsian faith, but that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Simply put, if you argue with the Bible, you're simply arguing with Paul's or Luke's opinions and interpretations. If you argue with the Koran you're arguing against the (purported) direct word of God himself. The constant re-interpretations and infighting of the christian churches were one of the very issues Muhammed sought to resolve.

Danth

You are really misguided here.

First of all, there are plenty of muslims that know the koran is not the literal word of god, just like there are many christians that know the bible is not the literal word of god.

But!.. Just like extremist muslims, there are a bunch of extremist christians that think the bible is the literal word of god.

Im sure that if the christians were from hell on earth area of the globe where they have been at war with people for melinia and are being bombed into the stone age by nearly every developed nation... they would be cutting off peoples heads too.

yall fuckn need to stop pretending that a bunch of fucking fat ass disgruntled nerds that play everquest for free arnt the first people that we should cull from society.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Quran promotes DECEIT, and characterizes Allahibaba as the "Greatest Deceiver of all" LITERALLY (Sura 3:54) No where in the Bible does it promote deceit or characterize God as a LIAR.

Again I'm impressed by the capital letters.

"And the Lord said to him, 'How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.'" (1 Kings 22:22)

The Bible does promote deceit, as you can see above. Also genocide, child murder, slavery, the smashing of babies on the rocks, presenting your virgin daughters for rape to save others, animal abuse etc.

And that Sura 3:54 verse is something that an Arabic speaking person might argue as "the greatest planner of all".

Doesn't matter either way. If it is the correct translation then both promote deceit.

Do you have a response to my question? Why not read the actual Quran to know what it says instead of reading a book about what the Quran says? Jevovah is a terrible entity in both books though. A little better in some aspects and a little worse in other aspects depending on the book.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to compare the two holy books. The Koran is portrayed as the literal word of God, written down by a single individual--a single, perfect, cohesive narrative. You're not really even supposed to translate it. By contrast the various books which compose the Bible were written by many different people over the span of centuries. Even if you limit yourself strictly to the New Testament you're looking at multiple authors, who didn't always agree on everything, with the most prolific being the self-described apostle Paul. He was something of an angry man who made use of the then-small Christian movement for his own political ends after Jesus' death (they never met). Given his dominance of the New Testament and his influence on the early church, the Christian faith is really more of a Paulsian faith, but that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Simply put, if you argue with the Bible, you're simply arguing with Paul's or Luke's opinions and interpretations. If you argue with the Koran you're arguing against the (purported) direct word of God himself. The constant re-interpretations and infighting of the christian churches were one of the very issues Muhammed sought to resolve.

Danth

The fact that the Bible clearly has different authors and there are internal contradictions really only says something about its "authenticity" in terms of whether or not the Jewish and Christian faiths are true.

If you read the thing from front to back there is never any doubt that it's (just like the Quran but more poorly) presented as God's book. It's the guide to what God wants you to know and how He wants you to live.

The fact that so many people no longer take it literally has to do with a secular influence more than anything. It's difficult to square certain moral teachings in the Bible nowadays. It's difficult to square disease being the product of demons nowadays. There is ofcourse some serious debate about whether or not certain events are meant to be taken literally (The 7 day creation for example) but most events are presented as fact.
In a lot of the ways the Westborough Baptist Church is a proper representation of Christianity for example. It's not accurate to say "extremist" I think. I'd call most other Christians armchair Christians (that are going to hell according to the doctrine).
Same goes for Muslims and the Quran.