George Washington "a Prophet"

[Pokesan]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

[iruinedyourday]

I read a biography on GW once.. it was liteartly the most most boring book I have ever read..

The book was fine, but dude he was a stoic mater of fact man who had little to no color in his personality.

prob why he was a general, but just sayin.. not very a very entertaining bloke to read about.

[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

That's true. Lots of money there. My wife and I are pretty poor. Especially with my medical bills lol.

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

again, that's not how the establishment clause works. knock it off.

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, this is part of the problem here. I bring up assault on the family and someone automatically thinks this is about gay marriage, from someone who is gay. And in doing so, only shows the problem with gay marriage, that when it comes to talking points it tends to trump the underlining problems with the governments war on the family.

Family as in those that are married and they have children, family. So no, you simply hijacked my comment, turned it into your own gay little rant against people you just don't like and with a chip on your shoulder. That's exactly what they are hoping you do, as a matter of activism, to bring in another group to the debate on families, and to cover the actions of those that wage war on families as they have for a generation and more aggressively so now.

And there is more to the issue, but my comment wasn't about gay marriage, but the larger issue that gay marriage proponents are ignoring and helping to cover-up by doing so, such in that second vid link where the vet outright nails it, fantastic interview. But no, we gotta turn it into some little gay marriage issue while people are suffering under this assault or war on the family.

oh and

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[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, not specifically your family, but there is a tax argument for gay DINKs

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

If we require a priest to grant us government benefits. Sure. Wouldn't fly though.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Goliathan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other war on family is there.

De facto, as opposed to media talking points? Have a few examples of the harm being done to the family fabric of this country in recent decades:

a) Decades of wage stagnation has required an increase in family working hours to make ends meet, making families with two working parents the norm and leaving parents with less time to devote to their children.

b) An explosion of drug use, particularly meth, is having a similar ruinous effect across low-income white families as crack cocaine did during the 1980's.

c) Single parent families grow ever more common. Something on the order of 70 to 80 per cent of black children are raised in single-parent homes nowadays, and the number of such children among whites is entirely too high, as well.

d) An erosion of opportunity and increase in debt load among lower- and middle-class youth forces young adults to put off moving out or even starting families until later in life. In addition to the complications involved with older first-time mothers, it likely contributes to the lack of replacement-rate births.

e) Public education is in a pathetic state in this country

But by all means let's continue ignoring the elephant(s) in the room while arguing over a minor issue that affects, by definition, at most a couple per cent of the population.


Danth

[iruinedyourday]

Im still bleeding from the war on christmas.

It feels like just yesterday my parents told me santa wasn't real and I had to set them on fire while they slept that night.

[Goliathan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

De facto, as opposed to media talking points? Have a few examples of the harm being done to the family fabric of this country in recent decades:

a) Decades of wage stagnation has required an increase in family working hours to make ends meet, making families with two working parents the norm and leaving parents with less time to devote to their children.

b) An explosion of drug use, particularly meth, is having a similar ruinous effect across low-income white families as crack cocaine did during the 1980's.

c) Single parent families grow ever more common. Something on the order of 70 to 80 per cent of black children are raised in single-parent homes nowadays, and the number of such children among whites is entirely too high, as well.

d) An erosion of opportunity and increase in debt load among lower- and middle-class youth forces young adults to put off moving out or even starting families until later in life. In addition to the complications involved with older first-time mothers, it likely contributes to the lack of replacement-rate births.

e) Public education is in a pathetic state in this country

But by all means let's continue ignoring the elephant(s) in the room while arguing over a minor issue that affects, by definition, at most a couple per cent of the population.


Danth

I agree these are all problems faced by American families. However how will it ever be seen together when all we have is people putting the target on that small percentage. If we can fix this issue. Get people to start looking beyond people's genitals. Maybe they'll see the rest?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes Pokesan it is. I know your studies of constitutional law is epic in scale compared to the rest of us plebs, but It's a religious ceremony endorsed by the state giving those who marry more rights then those who do not. Thus Establishing favor to
<insert religion of choice> over the non religious. The historical identity of marriage the institution matters despite what you Big Gov't HAX may think.

Should we require government approved license to partake in communion? If so that is an estaishment and a prohibition on a religious ceremony.

it's about not establishing a state religion you boner. recognition is fine.

Originally Posted by p99soundsok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh my... where do I begin? You're honestly way out of your league in this discussion. Please do some basic research and come back later, for this is clearly above your head. No offense.