Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be more Earthquakes. At least 4 a month - we were promised at least 2 a month during the last raid summit with Rogean.

It all boils down to there not being enough content for this un-classically top heavy server.

Earthquakes solve a ton of the problems presented here for the lower tier. It allows them to prioritize mobs that they would otherwise would have a hard time competing on. KT/Statue/AoW (BDA/CSG joint raid?)/CT/Dain...just to name a few of the mobs that could be feasible. Then the tiers below them could actually try the Sevs/Traks/VS's of the world. I think we've had 2 earthquakes since launch IIRC? That's 2 in half a year. Not even close to 2 a month.

ETA: I think we don't see as many "aggressive approaches" to earthquakes because they are so few and far between. It's take what you can get once every 3 months as opposed to "let's take a shot and have a fricking blast doing it" cause we get another try in 2-3 weeks.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I am saying a negative petition against us would undoubtedly be terrible for us why concede without proof? All while the person asking for a concede doesn't provide proof?

In which case the 2 Mage in NToV rule suggestion is retarded.

It CANNOT be policed.

This server people ALWAYS want FRAPS or Screenshots otherwise they'll keep on killing the mob they FTE'd. You cannot get FRAPS over 3 mages in 3 different locations at a time of pop when you yourself are playing by the rules and only have 2 mages in north.

Back to what I said. Forsaken or Asgard or BDA or CSG or any guild looking to compete in Velious, I'm more than happy to discuss some outlines for rules on foot racing and agreeing to never CotH for FTE. The problem is we need Sirken to ratify the agreement so that real punishment can be handed down for breaking it.

I think if we could come together to find common ground, Sirken would do this.

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Earthquakes would help immensely. I like that Velious quakes reset respawn timers that is nice but they need to be way more frequent. Rogean being the only person with that power though is what is holding them back from occuring.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I am saying a negative petition against us would undoubtedly be terrible for us why concede without proof? All while the person asking for a concede doesn't provide proof?

what

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much bad information in this thread. Most of you need to stop regurgitating fabricated opinions you exchange with each other in late night vent convos. Asgard would sign off on fifield's proposal, 2 mages to cover a wing of 15 targets is reasonable. Awakened's stance of 2 mages per target in a wing of 15 dragons is not reasonable

Not reasonable to whom? We got ours, tough weekend on you guys I guess

[Kodim]

It's kind of sad to read this entire thread and realize that more repops is all the server needs.

[Erati]

My favorite part is FA spinners continue to cite 1 post by Pint as law for the '2 mage per wing' and 'dont kill the mob within the wing you reside in' agreement

Awakened, Taken Your Bacon, Taken, or Bacon did not sign off on such a thing nor were any of our leadership present at this discussion.

It is not in the server rules nor is it sanctioned by Sirken as raid rules, but continue to point to 1 lone post by Asgard's guild leader that this is the law of the land.

[Naethyn]

FA would come out ahead in all of this if Detoxx wasn't in the leadership picture.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My favorite part is FA spinners continue to cite 1 post by Pint as law for the '2 mage per wing' and 'dont kill the mob within the wing you reside in' agreement

Awakened, Taken Your Bacon, Taken, or Bacon did not sign off on such a thing nor were any of our leadership present at this discussion.

It is not in the server rules nor is it sanctioned by Sirken as raid rules, but continue to point to 1 lone post by Asgard's guild leader that this is the law of the land.

We understand! The only difference here is we were under a different impression. Since once this post was made, Taken, Bacon, Turkey Bacon, and Rampage were only using 2 Mages until two weeks ago when Awakened decided to because they didn't agree to it or decided to act on a loop hole not acted on by Rampage and Taken.

If you don't get a rotation you are going to get your members to put more Mages and Trackers in ToV. Go for it. You're the one saying CoTH Races are stupid and carrying the "We are a casual guild" tote bag. Your actions are saying one thing while your propaganda is saying the other thing. Let me fix this for you... <Awakened> BS if you want BiS.

I would still appreciate a response to my epic long wall of text!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly who is creating the mage idiocy?

Rampage and Forsaken agreed to waive server rules in NTOV because neither guild wanted to be crawling around only to forfeit mobs due to the requirement to start at the zone in. This lasted for 5-6 months until Forsaken cried autofire, and Sirken reinstated server rules. At that point everyone agreed to only have two mages per wing to minimize tracking effort. And this lasted until Forsaken began gating mages into North.

Originally Posted by FatMice

So when you get "fraps?" as a response to concede your mob you trained us we need to be sure we did so.

I'm pretty sure that you don't get 'volume of infractions' points if you concede. You've chosen to play hardball lawyerquest on conceding mobs rather than just asking your players whether they trained the opposing raid.

I called this on the Awakened forums a few weeks ago. FA have been playing the short game: zerg recruiting everyone who walks through the WL portal, telling Rampage to pound sand over every petition, pushing to void player agreements that reduce tracking workload, and promising everyone that uncontested NTOV for a year will fix everything. TBH, it wasn't a bad strategy. The last time this happened TMO crushed VD. But this time Awakened pulled it together, and FA is in a tough spot.

I would love to see some sort of joint petition from all of the major guilds requesting more earthquakes. Reality is, everyone immediately does the math and if the new system would reduce their pixel count by 0.1% they vote no. Awakened and FA will both be the biggest losers in any earthquake system since we can't be everywhere at once. I remember Unbrella making some big pro earthquake statement until his clerks told him TMO would get fewer mobs and he suddenly changed his tune.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Earthquakes solve a ton of the problems presented here for the lower tier. It allows them to prioritize mobs that they would otherwise would have a hard time competing on. KT/Statue/AoW (BDA/CSG joint raid?)/CT/Dain...just to name a few of the mobs that could be feasible. Then the tiers below them could actually try the Sevs/Traks/VS's of the world. I think we've had 2 earthquakes since launch IIRC? That's 2 in half a year. Not even close to 2 a month.

ETA: I think we don't see as many "aggressive approaches" to earthquakes because they are so few and far between. It's take what you can get once every 3 months as opposed to "let's take a shot and have a fricking blast doing it" cause we get another try in 2-3 weeks.

Let's not have this convo again. I'm not going to speak for the other guilds on that list but saying BDA "has a hard time competing" is dumb. Refusing to participate in that shit show isn't the same as being unable to compete. I think you'd have a lot more guilds testing the velious waters if the scene wasn't so fucking awful. Even the few times I cross paths with Forsaken it's always just fucking miserable.