Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will correct you, because you are wrong. We often expressed our frustration with being told we were to track mobs outside of ToV while FA would sock ToV. We were told numerous times that FA was "too busy in ToV" to track other targets. We stated that, due to not being a part of ToV mobs, that was not our problem. Our other issue was that loot was not being rotated. Instead, 1 top item was rotated, and then there was a pick rotation. We believed a full rotation of items was more fair. Detoxx and Pint disagreed, saying that they did not want to get stuck with no good loot from a mob. My explanation was, that is how a rotation works..

So leadership didn't come to an agreement. Hence the alliance died.

Most likely this started from a point of, well, entitlement. An attitude of "well we have been there longer or killed these mobs before them." I am not aware of Detoxx's reasoning and nor do I ever say I talk on his behalf so in my opinion the FA and FAT alliances started because there was a point where 4/5 guild were bottle necked at Eashen. It was train on top of train on top of train. Now here is the strategy that, lets say isn't the nicest but where competition is born from, instead of dealing with this lets have them join us and show them how we have been pulling in ToV and successfully killing the raid targets. Note, this is just one possible scenario.

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am of the belief, if you know you did it, why should the other guild have to prove it to you? All you are doing is fishing to see if there is real evidence. Why is the first response, "fraps?". You know you did it.

Give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who you are talking to. The first response is "fraps?" because of the ingrained lawyer questing that has plagued this server. Hoku's planned an exodus off this server that not only woke the sleeper but has now put in motion a guild killing petition query against Forsaken. If we get 1 or 2 more raid petitions against us then we are out 6 days. Then another 7 after that. You think 70 people are willing to wait around for that? So when you get "fraps?" as a response to concede your mob you trained us we need to be sure we did so. Just like you, some of our members haven't FTE'd or aren't perfect and make mistakes. It happens. At the very least if you are going to make accusations have the chutzpah to make an attempt to provide proof and work together. Hell, we worked with CSG and BDA on Trak when we fucked up. We had to concede Trak becuase of our mistakes. It happens.