Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I really would like this publicly addressed. Forget having to be on Sirken's stream. Start using the Raid Discussion thread as it was intended on being used. The faster guild leaders start posting public discussions on how they image the raid scene the faster can come to agreeable or disagreeable scenarios. The important thing is it remains public and understandable for all.





I agree with you that this is a simple dumb scenario, but guess what... both guilds are effected by these short comings. Tell me about other raid mobs where CoTHing isn't required and racing is good outside of VP and TOV. VS comes to mind but how many times does it become a train shit show only to have guilds start freaking out. VS has been going for 6 years on this server. The same problems persist. If people are willing to sit in front of a computer so they can get pixels let them.




So if I am reading this correctly... you are starting to complain that once a guild is no longer raiding or merges with another guild any previous guild agreements are now null and void? I really want this to be clear. Because two weeks ago I guarantee you FA leadership was trying to talk to Awakened about multiple different scenarios where you killed a Dragon Spawn in its own wing and starting placing more Mages than what was understood by a majority of raiders who have been doing TOV for the last 4 months.

I will say this again... if a guild merges or decides they want to stop raiding are you considering all player made agreements to be void? The real problem here is this should be started before you make any assumptions. Also it just comes across against the play nice policy. Guild should be making attempts to work together. There needs to be repercussions if there is no conversation to this and guilds just decided to do what is their best interest without opening discussing this with other guilds.



Couldn't agree more. And frankly in my opinion you are as guilty as the rest of them.



Based on how you have been FTE'ing the last two weeks; you're the guild that seemingly wants 6 mages/trackers in West, 30 mages/trackers in North and 2 Mages/Trackers in East. Also saying "Anything that happens beyond the wing doorways until FTE goes out is fair game." just has to be dumbest string of words I have ever read in a player attempt agreement.

Quite sure this was the agreement between FA/Rampage:



But since you broke this during the last two weeks you clearly don't agree.



For the last time: This server does it's best to emulate a live "classic" server. This server is being played as 15 year old content being pushed to the limit with current game mechanics and played at a high level. Drop the classic bullshit.



Increase drop rate and spawn rate and you might be on to something, however we know that won't happen. I don't need to go into the details on why this really won't ever happen. Also all the bullshit of who broke the previous rotation, etc. etc. doesn't even matter; the numbers just don't support a rotation in ToV.



This will set your ass on fire.



If you believe this you ate Chipolte for dinner and you're ass is on fire. I think you caught shit because you guys didn't communicate well with FA. Rushing on a KT engage. Leaving a CT track without notifying other guilds. Because you guys where seemingly more casual then, you guys really didn't show up to other raids with your larger numbers than you do now. And be honest, correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that is really boils down to you and your members just not liking Detoxx and old TMO members because how they treated you guys during the heart of Kunark.

I don't think anyone is blaming you for making Awakened or stepping away from the FAT alliance.

The majority of the members in Forsaken really enjoy the competition. And yes, you have competed well during the last two weeks.



If you can't understand how this was a planned character assignation from Hokushin. toward Detoxx and Hoku decided to leave the server then just fuck it all. Do I like reading messages from my guild leader like this? Simply put; No. I don't like any of you thinking my guild leader really is this obnoxious loathing individual; don't mix up passion and drive with unfiltered indignation. From what everyone can perceive Hoku and Detoxx never got along; only difference is Hoku made it everyone's business to hate on Detoxx. Maybe in the Unbrella/Detoxx/Hokushin menage a trois someone got the smaller stick. I don't know; but I am getting sick and tired of past history effecting so many players on this server. Let alone one who fucked the entire server by Awakening the Sleeper.



Exactly who is creating the mage idiocy? See my comment above. But rotation will not work without an increased drop rate or spawn rate. Also your post smells of bullshit and not best-in-slot. I really want to know the numbers. How many Ex-Rampagers are in Takens new guild?



Perhaps if Awakened doesn't want to deal with Detoxx they should consider talking to Pint... or anyone for that matter. Word on the street is they are still trying to figure out /tell or /reply.



That's because you didn't pull Draco directly to camp. You had agro jump from the FTE to the Kiter back to the FTEr. The above "FTE is all that matters" will result with same shit storm surrounding Lodi right now. http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=229663

TLDR;

Zoole. Clever of you to leave out the fact FA started the mage arms race by binding at mob locations and gating there upon pop. You don't think Awakened and every other guild who plays in that litter box thought of that idea 10x over? You violated the Rampage/Forsaken rules by pulling a 2nd dragon while another was still engaged as well. Wonderful spin cycle here. If Forsaken was serious about this, it would happen. That's just a fact. We shouldn't have to give you "concessions" to come to the negotiating table. That's laughable. I just think it's funny that days after getting your ass spanked in ToV, Forsaken is the "white knight" coming in who has clean hands of all of this nonsense.

[Elmarnieh]

Hey guys, we could always start coh ducking again!

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zoole. Clever of you to leave out the fact FA started the mage arms race by binding at mob locations and gating there upon pop. You don't think Awakened and every other guild who plays in that litter box thought of that idea 10x over? You violated the Rampage/Forsaken rules by pulling a 2nd dragon while another was still engaged as well. Wonderful spin cycle here. If Forsaken was serious about this, it would happen. That's just a fact. We shouldn't have to give you "concessions" to come to the negotiating table. That's laughable. I just think it's funny that days after getting your ass spanked in ToV, Forsaken is the "white knight" coming in who has clean hands of all of this nonsense.

also forgot to mention that FA expected taken to do all of the tracking outside of NTOV when they were in there because they were preoccupied with NTOV and couldn't be bothered.

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by FatMice

I think you caught shit because you guys didn't communicate well with FA. Rushing on a KT engage. Leaving a CT track without notifying other guilds. Because you guys where seemingly more casual then, you guys really didn't show up to other raids with your larger numbers than you do now. And be honest, correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that is really boils down to you and your members just not liking Detoxx and old TMO members because how they treated you guys during the heart of Kunark.

I will correct you, because you are wrong. We often expressed our frustration with being told we were to track mobs outside of ToV while FA would sock ToV. We were told numerous times that FA was "too busy in ToV" to track other targets. We stated that, due to not being a part of ToV mobs, that was not our problem. Our other issue was that loot was not being rotated. Instead, 1 top item was rotated, and then there was a pick rotation. We believed a full rotation of items was more fair. Detoxx and Pint disagreed, saying that they did not want to get stuck with no good loot from a mob. My explanation was, that is how a rotation works..

But if you tell Detoxx, hey we have just got trained and don't provide FRAPs or say, "we don't have to show you anything" you just won't get the results you are looking for.

I am of the belief, if you know you did it, why should the other guild have to prove it to you? All you are doing is fishing to see if there is real evidence. Why is the first response, "fraps?". You know you did it.

[RedXIII]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If changing the raid rules to be more casual doesn't work out for OP he could always resort to training the fuck out of the opposing guild to buy his guild more time.

Love it. this last weekend it happened once or twice again Cucu... some things never change.

[Gorillas]

The problem with this server is that there's too many pathetic people without social lives or real jobs.

The end game guild leaders are all a bunch of pathetic neckbeards who think they're famous for having a pixel. This server isn't worth playing on

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zoole. Clever of you to leave out the fact FA started the mage arms race by binding at mob locations and gating there upon pop. You don't think Awakened and every other guild who plays in that litter box thought of that idea 10x over? You violated the Rampage/Forsaken rules by pulling a 2nd dragon while another was still engaged as well. Wonderful spin cycle here. If Forsaken was serious about this, it would happen. That's just a fact. We shouldn't have to give you "concessions" to come to the negotiating table. That's laughable. I just think it's funny that days after getting your ass spanked in ToV, Forsaken is the "white knight" coming in who has clean hands of all of this nonsense.

I am speaking to the knowledge I am aware of. Let me preface the following that I am currently a 50% 30-day raid attendance and 35% life time raider.

I was there that night when we set up Mages. This set up started after the player-made-agreement between Rampage and FA, correct me if I am wrong 2 mages per wing and you can't kill mobs in the wing they spawn in. The results in this conversation, to my knowledge (because I can't point to anything execpt for this thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=220664) there was and still is an unclear discussion on where Mages will be allowed based on the Play-Nice-Policy. Any issues with either guild Mage location seemingly was brushed under the rug within a week.

[Gorillas]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am speaking to the knowledge I am aware of. Let me preface the following that I am currently a 50% 30-day raid attendance and 35% life time raider.

I was there that night when we set up Mages. This set up started after the player-made-agreement between Rampage and FA, correct me if I am wrong 2 mages per wing and you can't kill mobs in the wing they spawn in. The results in this conversation, to my knowledge (because I can't point to anything execpt for this thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=220664) there was and still is an unclear discussion on where Mages will be allowed based on the Play-Nice-Policy. Any issues with either guild Mage location seemingly was brushed under the rug within a week.

Do any of the neckbeards here do the content as intended? Or does everyone enjoy sitting at the zone out waiting for a dragon to appear? You have to be pathetic to enjoy staring at a wall and not even seeing the dungeon content.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am speaking to the knowledge I am aware of. Let me preface the following that I am currently a 50% 30-day raid attendance and 35% life time raider.

I was there that night when we set up Mages. This set up started after the player-made-agreement between Rampage and FA, correct me if I am wrong 2 mages per wing and you can't kill mobs in the wing they spawn in. The results in this conversation, to my knowledge (because I can't point to anything execpt for this thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=220664) there was and still is an unclear discussion on where Mages will be allowed based on the Play-Nice-Policy. Any issues with either guild Mage location seemingly was brushed under the rug within a week.

detoxx set the precedent that any agreement between FA and rampage was dead because rampage was no longer a guild... talk to your own leadership.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will correct you, because you are wrong. We often expressed our frustration with being told we were to track mobs outside of ToV while FA would sock ToV. We were told numerous times that FA was "too busy in ToV" to track other targets. We stated that, due to not being a part of ToV mobs, that was not our problem. Our other issue was that loot was not being rotated. Instead, 1 top item was rotated, and then there was a pick rotation. We believed a full rotation of items was more fair. Detoxx and Pint disagreed, saying that they did not want to get stuck with no good loot from a mob. My explanation was, that is how a rotation works..

So leadership didn't come to an agreement. Hence the alliance died.

Most likely this started from a point of, well, entitlement. An attitude of "well we have been there longer or killed these mobs before them." I am not aware of Detoxx's reasoning and nor do I ever say I talk on his behalf so in my opinion the FA and FAT alliances started because there was a point where 4/5 guild were bottle necked at Eashen. It was train on top of train on top of train. Now here is the strategy that, lets say isn't the nicest but where competition is born from, instead of dealing with this lets have them join us and show them how we have been pulling in ToV and successfully killing the raid targets. Note, this is just one possible scenario.

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am of the belief, if you know you did it, why should the other guild have to prove it to you? All you are doing is fishing to see if there is real evidence. Why is the first response, "fraps?". You know you did it.

Give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't care who you are talking to. The first response is "fraps?" because of the ingrained lawyer questing that has plagued this server. Hoku's planned an exodus off this server that not only woke the sleeper but has now put in motion a guild killing petition query against Forsaken. If we get 1 or 2 more raid petitions against us then we are out 6 days. Then another 7 after that. You think 70 people are willing to wait around for that? So when you get "fraps?" as a response to concede your mob you trained us we need to be sure we did so. Just like you, some of our members haven't FTE'd or aren't perfect and make mistakes. It happens. At the very least if you are going to make accusations have the chutzpah to make an attempt to provide proof and work together. Hell, we worked with CSG and BDA on Trak when we fucked up. We had to concede Trak becuase of our mistakes. It happens.