Kasich 2016

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that plays right into the discussion. If Trump goes full independent and manages to deny Hillary a majority (51%) congress will choose the Republican nominee, whomever that may be.

While it is unlikely Kasich can secure the nomination conventionally if he demonstrates significant momentum going forward he might be able to secure the nom at a contested convention.

I was surprised though when I Trump said he'd support the eventual nominee last night. I'd think with attacks from all sides he'd feel he was being treated unfairly, but then most of the shit flying his direction is from other candidates and the stuff from the media is all entirely valid. He's somewhat acknowledged that with the 2 page policy plan he's released, but he is going to need to do more now to continue. After last debate I was surprised he showed up at this one empty handed.

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare

This is a problem of democracy. You take those away, you lose your next election to someone who will restore them.

[halfling warrior]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqpHTFJO4mE

[Blitzers]

Not to mention Kasich supports Obamacare and common core. Yes they got rid of the testing in Ohio but the curriculum still exists in the schools.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right about all of this except that he's better than both Sanders and Clinton on day one since he's been a governor and actually has done something in his life.

PS: You talk about Lehman brothers and banks. Sanders adds how much to the national debt? Who benefits from the government financing the debt? Large banks. Who wrote the budget in 2014? Citigroup. Are you following so far?

The national debt isn't a debate about Keynes or Friedman, it's an egregious example of corporate welfare that passes under the radar because:
1. republicans won't give up defense
2. dems won't give up welfare
3. neither will give up social security or medicare

Finally, there is a huge debate over whether a national debt actually matters. Not to bring up Greece or Venezuela, since neither is analogous to the United States government or economy, however, in our corrupt system, which you acknowledge has PACs, interest groups, lobbyists, etc, how much do you imagine that massive amount of money (trillions of dollars) influences our congressmen and women during their campaigns? Lobbyists are paid hundreds of millions every year to keep the budget high so that it will continue to line the coffers of massive banks, which in turn inject themselves into our political system.

Kasich is a shitty candidate, but he's the best this country has right now, and I voted for him on Super Tuesday. He got 4ish% in Texas. Bottom line, find me a Sanders-like candidate who understands that balancing the fucking budget is literally the most important part of eliminating corruption in the US. That will never happen, because this country is composed of idiots who can simultaneously understand Halliburton, the military-industrial complex, how insurance companies taint out healthcare system, but miraculously, through some amazing capacity for cognitive dissonance, CANT FIGURE OUT THAT CITIGROUP WROTE THE 2014 BUDGET PRECISELY TO INCREASE THE NATIONAL DEBT, which, coincidentally I guess to you retards, happens to perpetually guarantee that they HUGE assets on their balance sheets.

Oh, and who gives a fuck, because that government that finances the debt with them... if all of the major banks collapse the international economy, the government has to bail them out because if they didn't, the US federal government literally couldn't pay salaries and God forbid congressmen and senators actually ahve to answer for something. Oh well, add another trillion in debt so that the government can continue the illusion that they have a clue and the rest of us can happily pay our taxes so that Shylock can have another yacht.

I hope this what should've been middle school lesson on macroeconomics and government got through to you socialists who don't understand your ass from your elbow. Class dismissed.

What do you think is going to happen to the national debt when you elect a party-loyal Republican like Kasich who is going to funnel money to defense spending and quite possibly put boots on the ground in Syria? Just how much did our national debt decrease under George "Small-Government Republican" Bush? You tell me to find a Sanders-like candidate who understands the value of balancing the budget, and you offer me an establishment Republican. Guess what, it's not hard to balance a state budget (Ohio) when you don't have things like defense spending, which his party absolutely LOVES. Jerry Brown balanced California's budget, and he's a DEMOCRAT in a state full of democrats, with a legislature run by democrats. And these aren't just any democrats, they are California democrats who fucking love to spend. Things are a lot different as POTUS.

I'm disappointed that you've fallen victim to the rhetoric that just because a candidate is a leftie means he wants to spend the country to death. That's just standard issue Fox News Republican Brand™ marketing meant to manipulate the naive and lazy, and stoke the fires of tribalism. Uprooting the graft and waste inherent in our healthcare system and cutting the bloat would have saved our country billions of dollars, but the insurance companies won, precisely because they managed to convince people like you that anyone actually trying to fix the problem is going to bankrupt us. It's like a Pavlovian response at this point, you're so well trained with the REFORM/SOCIALISM = DEBT SPENDING NO MONEY OMG NO DISCIPLINE RECKLESS HOW WILL U PAY FOR IT conditioning that here you are, vomiting it all back at me. Meanwhile here we are drowning in debt from politicians identical to Kasich. Bush was a moderate too. Bill Clinton balanced the budget.

Sanders was the only one on a crusade to liberate our country and government from Shylock, the only one serious about campaign finance reform (which addresses the root of all these problems, that our politicians represent money, not people.) He had foresight to try and save our economy from the banks when it mattered, and who was so far ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to solving the problems of the 2010's that he has been preaching solutions since the fucking 1990's. It breaks my bleeding heart that this guy spent his life fighting the good fight, only to lose to someone like Hillary Clinton, precisely because of disingenuous arguments like yours.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would have never thought you'd be duped by Fox News talking points. If you think that Kasich is the only option you seriously are being played by the media. Turning to Kasich an establishment candidate is exactly what the ELITISTS in the GOP and media are trying to push. Kasich has been part of the Washington cartel for 40 years. He wants to snowball u with this "reasonable conservative" bullshit. We've heard that before its called RINO republicans, it's called progressivism. When have any of these so called "reasonable republicans" ever made a deal with democrats that worked out well for America. Even when Reagan made deals they turned out like shit remember Reagan Amnesty? That's right Kasich was there and in 1986 Kasich voted for Reagan Amnesty. Kasich supports NAFTA which has cost Americans millions of jobs. Kasich is Jeb Bush, your falling prey to a ROUSE and if you go the way of Kasich you will have yourself another progressive RINO as president. Masked you're typically smarter then that don't be a sheep.

As for your Erudite Asshole Ted Cruz

He's the man that defeated GWBush's plan to cede our judicial sovereignty to the World Courts.
He won the DC gun ban case protecting the 2nd amendment.
He single handedly defeated Rubio's Gang of 8 Amnesty bill with a poison pill amendment.
He has fought and defeated the Washington cartel time and time again. Don't let yourself be fooled Kasich is who the GOP elite and media HAX want.

Blitz, I don't have cable and am not peddling any third party talking points, just sharing my own thoughts. I am just being practical. Everyone hates Cruz and he will not be president because of it. It's as simple as that. Take a look at the polls. He barely beats Hillary. I am aware of his policy stance and accomplishments, but his resume is irrelevant if he cannot win the election or work with people.

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blitz, I don't have cable and am not peddling any third party talking points, just sharing my own thoughts. I am just being practical. Everyone hates Cruz and he will not be president because of it. It's as simple as that. Take a look at the polls. He barely beats Hillary. I am aware of his policy stance and accomplishments, but his resume is irrelevant if he cannot win the election or work with people.

^^^^
Media & Washington Establishment talking points

Pretty sad then if that's your own opinion, because a vote for Kasich is a Vote for more socialism and more tyranny.

You can't beat Hillary with Hillary light. We tried that with Romney, and McCain.

NO ONE IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN NOVEMBER FOR KASICH.

You put Kasich as nominee every CRUZ supporter stays at work that day. Trump supporters go back to Hillary.
I will vote Hillary just to help destroy the GOP if Kasich is the repub nominee.

Good luck with your establishment candidate.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think is going to happen to the national debt when you elect a party-loyal Republican like Kasich who is going to funnel money to defense spending and quite possibly put boots on the ground in Syria? Just how much did our national debt decrease under George "Small-Government Republican" Bush? You tell me to find a Sanders-like candidate who understands the value of balancing the budget, and you offer me an establishment Republican. Guess what, it's not hard to balance a state budget (Ohio) when you don't have things like defense spending, which his party absolutely LOVES. Jerry Brown balanced California's budget, and he's a DEMOCRAT in a state full of democrats, with a legislature run by democrats. And these aren't just any democrats, they are California democrats who fucking love to spend. Things are a lot different as POTUS.

I'm disappointed that you've fallen victim to the rhetoric that just because a candidate is a leftie means he wants to spend the country to death. That's just standard issue Fox News Republican Brand™ marketing meant to manipulate the naive and lazy, and stoke the fires of tribalism. Uprooting the graft and waste inherent in our healthcare system and cutting the bloat would have saved our country billions of dollars, but the insurance companies won, precisely because they managed to convince people like you that anyone actually trying to fix the problem is going to bankrupt us. It's like a Pavlovian response at this point, you're so well trained with the REFORM/SOCIALISM = DEBT SPENDING NO MONEY OMG NO DISCIPLINE RECKLESS HOW WILL U PAY FOR IT conditioning that here you are, vomiting it all back at me. Meanwhile here we are drowning in debt from politicians identical to Kasich. Bush was a moderate too. Bill Clinton balanced the budget.

Sanders was the only one on a crusade to liberate our country and government from Shylock, the only one serious about campaign finance reform (which addresses the root of all these problems, that our politicians represent money, not people.) He had foresight to try and save our economy from the banks when it mattered, and who was so far ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to solving the problems of the 2010's that he has been preaching solutions since the fucking 1990's. It breaks my bleeding heart that this guy spent his life fighting the good fight, only to lose to someone like Hillary Clinton, precisely because of disingenuous arguments like yours.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget... Lol
The Internet boom had nothing to do with that? What about NAFTA? Has the precipitous loss of jobs that Bill Clinton facilitated have anything to do with our current debt?

1. I voted for Kerry in 2004. Don't blame me for bush
2. Healthcare isn't fixed by socialism in this country. Heard of the VA? We aren't China. We don't hire Chinese men with huge brains to run things based on talent. We hire based on affirmative action and patronage. We aren't swedes or japs. We're Americans. This means that at least 1/3 of our population is useless and given that the government will always have some of the useless demographic within it, you shouldn't place so much faith in it
- as an aside, I hate insurance companies and expanding and federally insuring + allowing the accumulation year to year and movement from state to state, company to company of health savings accounts could destroy insurance companies. I say could because who the fuck knows

Oh, and we're fat pieces of shit. It's a dick thing to say but I don't want to pay for the obesity and diabetes of others. I realize that yes, I'm paying for it anyway, but if we do socialized medicine, I want to personally choose the diet of every fat ass I see on the street.
3. I don't want national defense spending. I guess you missed that part. NO ONE will close down bases or ditch the f-35 program. Kasich might invade Syria, I admit, that's fucked up, but Obama is now mulling action in Libya after toppling that country. And again, sanders can't win. He's the best on foreign policy, but he can't win. Kasich is less likely to go full retard with regard to foreign policy than anyone not named sanders

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^^
Establishment talking points

Pretty sad then if that's your own opinion, because a vote for Kasich is a Vote for more socialism and more tyranny.

You can't beat Hillary with Hillary light. We tried that with Romney, and McCain.

NO ONE IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN NOVEMBER FOR KASICH.

You put Kasich as nominee every CRUZ supporter stays at work that day. Trump supporters go back to Hillary.
I will vote Hillary just to help destroy the GOP if Kasich is the repub nominee.

Good luck with your establishment candidate.

Dude everyone hates Ted Cruz are you kidding me? He's boring, ugly, and Canadian

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude everyone hates Ted Cruz are you kidding me? He's boring, ugly, and Canadian

The establishment hates Ted Cruz, what that tells me is he's the right man for the job. The country's problems have been a result of the establishment and the deal makers in Washington. If your mad at government why would you vote for Kasich who has been part of that problem he's ESTABLISHMENT, he's a PROGRESSIVE, he's a RINO, and he will and has MADE BAD DEALS with democrats for 40 years.

You people cry about crony capitalism, cry about the Washington elites, cry about back room deals, but want Kasich? If we get another member of the Washington Elite your children and grandchildren will NEVER FORGIVE YOU.

You have the chance to support and make a change, restoring the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS is our last chance, and TED CRUZ is the only one that has a proven record of DEFENDING & WINNING when the progressives attack.