Grats Andis on Server First AoN Purchase Through In-Game Currency

[Junebug99]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the reason item loot somewhat worked in classic was because the droppable items in large part were very replaceable. Whats he worst you could lose, outside dragon loot, HBC? Kunark is what fucked it up, with stuff like Trak BPs and VS legs. Then the risk/reward got hosed. BiS items unless fairly easily replaceable shouldn't be at risk or nobody will bother.

Like you said, the risk you took on RZ in classic was pretty much do you want to lose a diamond ring or not. Diamond rings are by and large a PVP item, and while valuable I think that is the perfect type of item to risk losing in PVP.

You so realize Live had item loot with Classic through Luclin
hence Kringe getting his boots of storm looted

[fan D]

ragnaros was there for that moment live

[mrbigz]

Lmao grats buddy on the aon.. No need to talk shit about lite.. Guy made this server fun.. I don't have a aon and never complained

[georgie]

It's an inferiority complex

[Redi]

Originally Posted by mrbigz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao grats buddy on the aon.. No need to talk shit about lite.. Guy made this server fun.. I don't have a aon and never complained

How did he make it fun? By driving every person to nihilum? By making such play calls as run to the yeti caves? Or was it fun because he moved all your toons to sky for you while you were offline? I guess if listening to some jagger talk a mile a minute and repeat everything he says 3 times in a row is a good time to you after a long day of farming fingerboner hoops then whatever floats ur boat.

[Redi]

Just realized ur probably sealer/madude/the other inbred who's too forgettable and can't remember name. Dis regard my previous post since yall r so remedial, your post makes sense now.

[druid1]

I know whos AON it was

[Guido]

Originally Posted by mrbigz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao grats buddy on the aon.. No need to talk shit about lite.. Guy made this server fun.. I don't have a aon and never complained

georgie that you? miss you kid.

and lite made server fun? nah everything he did was for his benefit. and he lost a lot of followers because of it.

hope all is well buddy.

[Tassador]

Item loot was removed from love before kunark. Unless the drugs I did severely damaged my memory...

[Sear]

SORRY ANDIS

this is ur thread and ur chickenbone but a fierce neckbeard debate cannot be resisted

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have a situation where the very best items are droppable, but slightly worse items are non drop, you'll literally never see people wear the best items in the game. How is that a good situation?

I've played extensively on an item loot server, and I can say without a doubt is that every problem this server has would be amplified if you flipped the item loot switch on. People would avoid PVP more, plug more and gather into bigger zergs to protect themselves.

That being said, and this will sound a bit odd, I am very much in favor of an item loot server. But it can't be this server. And it can't be a server with the same rules. The way to make item loot meaningful and fun is to make PVP the focus in general for everything. That means that instead of spending hours raiding, you can that time PVPing and get points to buy items, for example. Make people risk items doing the activity it takes to acquire them and you have a balance. Make items a lot easier to get to couple it with the ability to quickly lose them, and you have a balance.

A situation where you're asking the majority to go farm the loot for the rest of the server seems pretty dumb to me, which is essentially what you're saying if you wanted to turn item loot on here.

The only idea I'm spitballing here is to adjust the drop/nodrop tags to balance it, and make it less severe than it was on live. Maybe I should have stated clearly that my take is that there were not enough no-drop items.

I agree that just flipping it on here (which won't happen) would be insane and way too punishing.