What is "grief" on Red99?

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Fame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll go with "What is griefing?", Doctor.

Then I'd argue that the poll options don't make much sense. Griefing is defined by the intent of the griefer (i.e. their primary, only?, motivation is irritating the recipient).

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to contest some pixels, their motivation is pixels and I'm pretty OK with that.

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to deny us gear, I'm still pretty OK with that.

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to wank off to the hate tells afterwards, that's griefing.

[Fame]

Vote: mean words in chat window

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Fame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vote: mean words in chat window

Demoralizing an enemy could similarly have any of the above motivations.

[Fame]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to wank off to the hate tells afterwards, that's griefing.

[Seltius]

The intent to cause someone else emotional harm or misery for your own amusement.

Examples- Training someone repeatedly intentionally just to do it. Causing intentional Exp deaths. General violations of rules meant to protect yourself and others in an online video game. Behavior that intentionally causes another player emotional or physical harm.

This can be in the form of anything from intentional xp death, to racist, sexist, and other inappropriate text that causes or can cause emotional harm

[easy_lee]

No such thing. Anything the game allows you to do is implicitly okay. If it's not okay, then the administration needs to patch the server to prevent it.

• Repeated kills and/or bind camping: good for dealing with twinks
• Raid Disruption: fighting the zerg
• Mean words in chat window: Red flavor
• Winning the PvP: what bluebie scrubs think griefing means
• Petition Quest: why do we even have petitions on this server? The live GMs just suspended everyone involved in petitions and called it a day. /petition to complain about PvP or being camped or trained should result in suspension for the petitioner. Quit wasting our GMs' time.
• Shit we did before PnP, LNS and EXP bonus fucked up the server: the good old days.

And you missed training people, which is hilarious and also a good way of dealing with zergs.

In reality, "grief" just means someone is upset over elfsim and ought to chill the fuck out. Revert to classic with item loot, guild or team based PvP, and a few more no drop items. Then disable the petition system and tell people to deal with shit themselves. Everyone wins.

[Slowride]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I'd argue that the poll options don't make much sense. Griefing is defined by the intent of the griefer (i.e. their primary, only?, motivation is irritating the recipient).

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to contest some pixels, their motivation is pixels and I'm pretty OK with that.

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to deny us gear, I'm still pretty OK with that.

If someone trains my group/raid because they want to wank off to the hate tells afterwards, that's griefing.

[SamwiseRed]

Grief is trying to find a port on a melee.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grief is trying to find a port on a melee.

i would know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] blueflower and pals got me good last week

[Sear]

If there's no post-traumatic stress, it's not griefing.

Griefing is hard work. It's a lifestyle choice.