What's the reason

[Guido]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people not on top want wipe and people on top dont want wipe.

I miss something?

im in the clouds

ya dig

[Bazia]

i dont know how with a straight face you can say that a wipe wouldn't result in more population than the 40 people playing this server currently

pretty sad, at least when the 20 nihilum were farming dead classic they knew there was more content ahead

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i dont know how with a straight face you can say that a wipe wouldn't result in more population than the 40 people playing this server currently

pretty sad, at least when the 20 nihilum were farming dead classic they knew there was more content ahead

If you're going to exaggerate, at least try to keep the numbers somewhat realistic. There's 200+ prime time on this server. There's also far more content to devour on a weekly basis here for raiders than there was in classic/kunark for Nihilum. You had VS, the weekly dragons, and VP, which made up maybe 5-6 hours raiding total, not including Trakannon cuz fuck Trakannon.

As far as Easy lee or w/e his name is, he makes a pretty huge logical error in his reasoning. He first states how EQ PVP is about the PVP blah blah chest thumping stuff about getting bluebies off the server, then proceeds to talk about PVP over all the desirable camps in classic [PvE]. Unfortunately for Mr. Easy Lee, there are very few "desirable camps" to fight over, they ultimately amount to Manastone and Rubi BP, both of which are legacy items and get taken out. Coincidentally, those were the only two camps with any regular PvP in classic, and even that PvP was usually the same 6-8 people on a daily basis [bacon, hector, natural, ruthbader], and once they came out there was basically none. Why? Because there's nothing worth fucking fighting for in classic because there's so little fucking content.

Like I said, it will be fun for 2 weeks when everyone is killing each other @ derv camps and what not, and quickly turn into another ghost town when people start maxing out and having nothing to do again other than port around doing /who in guk and sol b to see if anyone is there.

The real solution is new meaningful content that keeps people actively playing, such as AA's, which increases the pop online and creates constant PvP opportunities.

[TheDuck]

i hate the azrael/friends mentality that this game should go to them, instead of them going to the game.

sitting there and saying this game is pvp orientated is not true. the game is loot driven, the pvp comes into play when one person or one guild wants the loot from the other. In order to make this happen you need to build your character or guild to compete against the other.

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah man lets resort to personal attacks in server chat over shit fucking server. Immersion level overload.

You sure you're in the right place? Baseless personal attacks are part of the culture on Red. We're all mature enough to take it all in good fun.

Or did I miss something?

Regardless, I've been here for years and am in favor of a wipe. I've talked to others who would also lose lots of plat and pixels, who are still in favor of a wipe. Fact is that the entire classic to velious timeline on live didn't even last as long as Kunark did here. The server isn't classic anymore because of its age.

And unlike Blue, where progression is all there is, Red's age is actually detrimental to the server. Hoards of maxed Rogues, Monks, and SKs, every other lowbie is a twink...the PvP meta has shifted immensely.

I know the devs have said they wouldn't wipe. But in the case of Red, I think they should reconsider. It's just not classic anymore, and in truth the meta hasn't been classic for years.

And as far as there being stuff to fight over in Classic, HB, raid targets existed back then and still do. Guess you've forgotten that Vox, Naga, PoS, etc. exist. Limited targets, which don't require humongous raids, means guilds can and will fight over them.

[Lasher]

Need more people who dont play to tell to the people who do that it needs a wipe

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need more people who dont play to tell to the people who do that it needs a wipe

Hop online right now, type server wipe in OOC, and see what happens. There are a lot of people in favor of it. The only people not in favor of it are the ones currently zerg raiding; people who should go join blue or, preferably, a different MMO.

The raids here aren't that interesting, as far as MMOs go. But being able to contest them is. And right now, nobody is contesting anything.

[heartbrand]

Vox doesn't take a large raid? I guess you're forgetting Classic EQ on Red99 where Nihilum was doing Vox with 30+, numbers that were derided as a "zerg" at the time. The same shit will happen all over again. The people who care about killing dragons on a weekly basis will all join the guild, the so-called "PvPers" will cry foul about how these dragon slayers number far too many and are "ruining" the server by killing nagafen & vox, and everything will repeat itself.

The issue again is three-fold:

1) Not enough content to keep people online consistently outside of raids. Classic doesn't fix this issue long term, it just provides a quick short term fix as people race to max their characters again.

2) No PvP incentive in EQ to PvP over anything not PvE related.

3) For some reason I still can't comprehend, unlike every other game and even EQ Live where contesting for targets is a source of pride and fun, contesting on red99 for raid mobs is considered "blue" and "bad." As long as the chest thumpers continue to pretend that fighting for raid mobs is pointless, there will never be meaningful consistent pvp.

[garzahd`]

Originally Posted by easy_lee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sure you're in the right place? Baseless personal attacks are part of the culture on Red. We're all mature enough to take it all in good fun.

Or did I miss something?

Regardless, I've been here for years and am in favor of a wipe. I've talked to others who would also lose lots of plat and pixels, who are still in favor of a wipe. Fact is that the entire classic to velious timeline on live didn't even last as long as Kunark did here. The server isn't classic anymore because of its age.

And unlike Blue, where progression is all there is, Red's age is actually detrimental to the server. Hoards of maxed Rogues, Monks, and SKs, every other lowbie is a twink...the PvP meta has shifted immensely.

I know the devs have said they wouldn't wipe. But in the case of Red, I think they should reconsider. It's just not classic anymore, and in truth the meta hasn't been classic for years.

And as far as there being stuff to fight over in Classic, HB, raid targets existed back then and still do. Guess you've forgotten that Vox, Naga, PoS, etc. exist. Limited targets, which don't require humongous raids, means guilds can and will fight over them.

to long, didn't read. who are you ?

[MEGANS LAW]

Originally Posted by Gzaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the reason why gms won't wipe/ restart red??? Surely the population would rise as it gives new players a chance.

"why can't the server be restarted when I say so? WHY CAN'T IT BE RESTARTED SINCE I JUST STARTED PLAYING?? WHY WON'T ANYONE CARE WHAT I THINK"

you're a cuck