What Class Does This Group Need?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop, stop. Pet mask is going to increase ench pet dps by 15% . mala into malosini will make ench slow possible in zones like PoM or other areas that usually require a torpor, malosini, slow to start off fights. The magician epic is coming soon to a hate mini near you. That pet does more damage than a monk without disc and has 4k base life to offtank in hate break ins where you can't mezz the golems or in The Hole where there are non mezzable adds. With enchnater mana pump you will lay out so much dps that you won't notice the lack of a rogue. With a warrior and monk you will need to control the attack direction of your pet to interrupt casting mobs like DEs, Yendar, hate gaters, Queen, and ice comit frogs in Seb, etc. With summon companion in your 30s you won't ever have to worry about pet training ever again. Park you pet, move with the group and summon it to you when you get there.

You don't need a rogue to corpse drag because you have a monk for just that. Not having Lockpocking doors is going to bother you when you do HS and if you want to single group chardok royals. Monks can scout pathers for dungeon crawls just like rogues.

The only thing you lose out on by not going rogue is a sneak tagger. If your warrior is a halfling then you have that. If not you will need a good monk until the mage is 55 and can CoTH. The only time you will HAVE to sneak tag something the monk can't solo pull is higher level things that can't be mezzed by the enchanter, such as breaking tola and juggs...and you will be 55 by then.

If you all join a raiding guild together you won't regret either choice.

[Troxx]

+1 for the mage class in general

Magicians are one of the classes I see the general population undervalue the most. Mage pets alone (most of the way up) add solid dps all on their own. When you consider the nuking potential of the owner of that pet as well as the utility they bring to the table with debuffs/summons/CoHs/rods and add that to the static power of the pet that's always there ...

Mages are a great class in EQ.

[Lojik]

I think part of it is that pathing is so wonky here, take a zone like kedge where an npc is 5 feet away, sick pet and suddenly you have mobs from every floor on you.

[Sebastionleo]

Also for mage (or any pet class) you can use your pet as a mana battery in raid situations where you can't use your pet by leaving him parked somewhere safe-ish and clicky reclaim energy on him for 700 mana when you get LOM.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even an afk bard singing hymn of restoration (under 55) or cantana (55+) with a lute equipped will do more for a group than a wizard.

Yet in context of what I said, I'd still rather group with a wizard (paying attention) over a bard (the ones that only rolled bard to take advantage of the strafing bug for easy/fast/safe gameplay).

Someone that plays a wizard - plays a wizard, because they actually like the class and the game. So more likely to make the effort to contribute to a group and not drop off when things get a little boring or challenging.

Just like as it holds true for Cleric. Many reach cap, or near cap, and realize it's not all that great for them, then they burn out. Some people love Cleric though, I mean really really like the class, and play for no other reasons than that they just enjoy it with the good and the bad.

But when you roll something, because it's easy, or fast, or min/max, or etc, other than you just really like the class, the likelihood of you playing that class bad or burning out is significantly higher than if you just played what you wanted to play regardless of the consequences.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pet mask is going to increase ench pet dps by 15% . mala into malosini will make ench slow possible in zones like PoM or other areas that usually require a torpor, malosini, slow to start off fights. The magician epic is coming soon to a hate mini near you. That pet does more damage than a monk without disc and has 4k base life to offtank in hate break ins where you can't mezz the golems or in The Hole where there are non mezzable adds. With enchnater mana pump you will lay out so much dps that you won't notice the lack of a rogue. With a warrior and monk you will need to control the attack direction of your pet to interrupt casting mobs like DEs, Yendar, hate gaters, Queen, and ice comit frogs in Seb, etc. With summon companion in your 30s you won't ever have to worry about pet training ever again. Park you pet, move with the group and summon it to you when you get there.

You don't need a rogue to corpse drag because you have a monk for just that. Not having Lockpocking doors is going to bother you when you do HS and if you want to single group chardok royals. Monks can scout pathers for dungeon crawls just like rogues.

The only thing you lose out on by not going rogue is a sneak tagger. If your warrior is a halfling then you have that. If not you will need a good monk until the mage is 55 and can CoTH. The only time you will HAVE to sneak tag something the monk can't solo pull is higher level things that can't be mezzed by the enchanter, such as breaking tola and juggs...and you will be 55 by then.

If you all join a raiding guild together you won't regret either choice.

I need to clarify a comment I made. I said you won't regret either class for raiding. That is only true outside of VP. The Hoshkar aoe is going to wreck your pet. If you don't have the epic pet then you would be using 3.2k hp earth pet and one aoe puts you to 50% health on it. two waves and you are done. VP works better as a rogue because you will be spamming your Wort Pots. You cannot do that on a mage pet. (however, the mage pet will not flip the dragon at 20% like a player will so that's definitely something to consider once you have the epic 4k hp pet.) This is only slightly true for NToV. There they appreciate your power to CoTH.

PS: No, you won't have time to HP buff your pet either if a VP dragon pops.
PSS: What nubs in VP don't know is that you can use your pet to park on the ramp and send it in to blow the first aoe, should the puller not do it in time. Also you have 2x DA (shiny brass idol and your sky ring.)

[Raev]

Have you really parsed your mage epic pet higher than an epic/sos monk?

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you really parsed your mage epic pet higher than an epic/sos monk?

Yes. With no proc weapons. Then I got lifetap staves and double dex/double str (to raise his minimum hit) and he is one of the top 5 hitters every time. Parsers also don't count in mage nukes/DoT.

If anyone was curious, the DoT from a mage is a form of magic dot that stacks with all necro and shaman dots. 350 initially, 90 a tick. Nukes for 1000+ fire resist (which lands almost every time on level 70 giants like vindi, velk and such.)

His biggest downfall is that he doesn't have the avoidance skills a monk does. But he does have an innate stun and I use double splitpaw whips at puppets and its a huge damage mitigation.

He quaded once for 81,81,81,81 and proced on each hit: 143 DD, 143 DD, 143 DD, 83 stun. I was pretty excited about that one.

[Raev]

now you've piqued my curiosity. Can you post a few parses?

[ghost182]

necromancer could be a good add to that group if you are lvling befallen/kurn's tower/unrest/ToFS/CoM/Howling Stones/Kaesora etc etc.