Decision Making Suspension: Sirken

[captnamazing]

I'm requesting a gif from swish mocking all the bluebies who are crying about the raid scene here

[Kluwen1]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are literally out of your mind. The ONLY argument you could really make is needing well geared tanks. Everything else simply throwing numbers at it is a much bigger compensation. Idk about you but I'd take 14 kunark geared clerics over 7 BiS Vel geared clerics every single time. Same with 14 kun rogs vs 7 vel rogs.

It's not even close to a contest

Again I was being more specific to Sonta. The more bodies you have in the fight is not necessarily better. More bodies means more potential for low health aggro which ultimately will wipe your raid, which is why I'd take 60ish really well geared velious toons in that fight with more HP and Resists.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This statement is wrong on so many levels. You actually believe that? Or are you trolling?

140 people will always > 60 people.

I stopped gearing certain chars of mine in Kunark and they still were able to hard cap most resists without a bard using potions and getting necessary buffs. With a bard its not difficult at all.

The extra hard stats, mana and HP from end game velious loot doesnt really matter much either when soulfires, reapers, wort pots are in the game. Maybe for tanks? If you have 140 people I'm assuming that you have more clerics. 2 clerics will always beat one. There aren't clerics on here with 6000 mana.

I think the problem that a large raid force might run into is keeping everyone's consumables charged and organizing groups efficiently. But if we're talking level 60s 140 players > 60.

disagree completely. There are certain mobs that throwing numbers at just isn't the solution. 2 clerics will not always beat one if both clerics are feared an entire raid just as an example to poke holes in your theory.

on a mob like sontalak if you have a bunch of people with resists eating ae that aren't stacked properly and causing Ping-Pong/losing dps etc you most likely are going to wipe.

[captnamazing]

just like a raid mob, sometimes it's better to throw 60 well geared words at a mob than 140 poorly formed thoughts

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by MavstabYoudead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

disagree completely. There are certain mobs that throwing numbers at just isn't the solution. 2 clerics will not always beat one if both clerics are feared an entire raid just as an example to poke holes in your theory.

on a mob like sontalak if you have a bunch of people with resists eating ae that aren't stacked properly and causing Ping-Pong/losing dps etc you most likely are going to wipe.

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension, I mentioned resists in my post and how easy it is to max them, even in Kunark gear. My post a response to Kluwen's comparing velious gear vs. Kunark gear. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kluwen1]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension, I mentioned resists in my post and how easy it is to max them, even in Kunark gear. My post a response to Kluwen's comparing velious gear vs. Kunark gear. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists on Sont, Klandi, Zlandi don't seem to matter all that much. Obviously you still want max resists but during those fights you're still going to get AE'ed and feared probably 75% of the time, at least I do, maybe I'm just unlucky though lol.

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists on Sont, Klandi, Zlandi don't seem to matter all that much. Obviously you still want max resists but during those fights you're still going to get AE'ed and feared probably 75% of the time, at least I do, maybe I'm just unlucky though lol.

When I killed Sont on beta and a couple of times with rampage after release the deciding factor was always Wort pots. Until everyone started using them and were required to have 4-5 on them at all times we consistently wiped to Sontalak.

I know he's been changed and beefed up so I'm not really sure on the tactics of the fight now are similar. I'd assume they are though. If you can't self heal yourself on sont you're most likely going to die from the AE.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension, I mentioned resists in my post and how easy it is to max them, even in Kunark gear. My post a response to Kluwen's comparing velious gear vs. Kunark gear. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Re-read your own post. 140 ppl is not always > 60 people unless you Starr adding in all your stipulations. If you want to make the argument that the two raid forces have similar resists and strategy then I would agree in theory.

[Filthy_Pagan]

u wanna fite about it m8?

[jcr4990]

I eat dragon fears easily more than 50% of the time at 255 MR. So I'm not sure how much difference resists are actually going to make tbh. Sounds to me like excuses from FA on why they wipe with 150 when Rampage can do it with 1/3 that. But what do I know? I'm just a BDA scum that doesn't know anything about the incredibly complex and secret world of P99 Raiding.