lol ru kidding me

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying it is good for the planet to kill fetuses ("ridiculous overpopulation of the human race and the extent to which we are destroying the planet is justification enough to kill an unwanted fetus "), but it is "more cruel to kill a fully developed human than it is to kill a retarded fetus" and so the criteria for helping to save the planet is that the killing must be relatively convenient and also humane?

Yea it sounds like you want all of these decisions and policies to be black and white instead of shades of gray. Abortion is obviously not ideal, but it does help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world.

Pretty much this:

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why wouldn't you want it to be humane? Why would you want it to be inconvenient?

What are you even implying with these retarded questions?

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about toddlers? They don't have a fully developed sense of identity until around three or so.

And what morality prioritizes in the manner you have described? Are you referring to the feelings of the mother relative to the life of an embryo? Or something more dire?

While not fully developed, toddlers are more developed than a fetus. They are developed enough for the idea of killing them to become abhorrent. Sounds like a good place to draw the line to me.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Killing a human who has been assigned an identity is murder. Don't try to move the goalpost to shit I already covered, nerd.

As for which morality? Any morality that wants to restrict abortion and saddle society with unwanted children because of fears of it not being "humane" to carefully prune who enters society. The subjective experience of an entity that has no sense of identity is immaterial compared to material human concerns.

So a name then constitutes identity. Ok. Legality = morality? Interesting place to draw the line.

Stands to reason that that which is not material would in be immaterial ^^ Thanks for that gem <3

[Pokesan]

morality can only be derived from a divine source making it a pointless thing to worry about

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So a name then constitutes identity. Ok. Legality = morality? Interesting place to draw the line.

Stands to reason that that which is not material would in be immaterial ^^ Thanks for that gem <3

Yes, I know enough about embryology to know there is no clear-cut moment when a fetus becomes a living, sensing human other than arguably the moment of birth. The line of demarcation is immaterial and arbitrary regardless of where you draw it, so don't paint me like some kind of outlier. Your argument depends on the same immateriality.

The important thing is guaranteeing that euthanasia of living humans does not become a thing. That's why you draw the line at murder of a human with an identity. Any mass of cells without a human identity or subjective experience of reality cannot be murdered, as it is not human. It's very simple.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While not fully developed, toddlers are more developed than a fetus. They are developed enough for the idea of killing them to become abhorrent. Sounds like a good place to draw the line to me.

Abhorrent to you perhaps, but entirely acceptable to a more reasoned man under the line of reasoning that initiated this conversation.

If abhorrence is the qualification for drawing the line so to speak, then pro-lifers have a valid argument. They find abortion abhorrent.

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abhorrent to you perhaps, but entirely acceptable to a more reasoned man under the line of reasoning that initiated this conversation.

If abhorrence is the qualification for drawing the line so to speak, then pro-lifers have a valid argument. They find abortion abhorrent.

I find you eating fruit abhorrent. I can hear the cries of the planet with every bite.

If you are caught eating fruit, I will have 6 thugs in uniforms imprison you on pain of death.

Statists, yall.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea it sounds like you want all of these decisions and policies to be black and white instead of shades of gray. Abortion is obviously not ideal, but it does help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world.

My question wasn't concerning "shades of gray." If your goal is to "help prevent further population in an already overpopulated world," then why not fully support a view of eugenics? You're already willing to kill a "retarded fetus" and you suggest sterilization of those you do not want to reproduce. You're just a step away from euthanizing those elderly who can no longer function is society and the disabled who can't contribute to the greater good.

[Swish]

I'm a pro-lifer. Ask yourself if you wanted to be aborted before you were born. Everyone should have a chance out in the world.

I also believe in euthanasia, or pro-choice if people want to bring things to an end for medical reasons and while I can see how it would be abused, particularly to bump off senile relatives who are sitting on a $$$$$ mountain...I think there should be something in place globally. In the meantime, those who can hang themselves or whatever will do so and that's far more distressing for people around them.

What a nice cheery post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[James_Joyce]

Voluntary euthanasia already exists. Setting up a government agency to do it is completely insane.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of you flirting with a bit of Nazi ideology. They started practicing euthanasia on their own mentally handicapped and old sick people in Germany before the war actually broke out.

BINGO!