lol ru kidding me

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of those are generally viewed through an ideologic (rhymes with idiotic, coincidence?) lens. To people with such a lens often reason is treason.

In the gun control issue, proponents believe banning guns will save lives.

In the abortion control issue, proponents believe banning abortions will save lives.

Both are true. So long as the scope is limited to lives lost to guns and lives lost to abortions. The world is vastly more complicated though.

Thats like saying its ideology that has us set speed limits on highways and school zones. Or its ideology that doesn't allow you to have campfires in california drought zones, or drink over the age of 18/21 years old.

No, the abortion issue comes directly from one group of people thinking killing babies is wrong, while the other side of the argument knows killing babies protects families and individuals from hardships, as well as prevents people from harming themselves to having their own illegal abortions when you outlaw it.

The democrats look at how people act, and make laws based off of that data.

Republican sides of the argument do it because they think baby killing is the devil's work and evil.

You need to understand this basic point to understand the two sides at war in our nation.

One, relies on data & is reactionary. The other Pre-emptive & ideological.

[iruinedyourday]

idk what kinda fucked up places red states are, but I've lived in the most dangerous neighborhoods in some of the countries biggest cities, i never been threatened with a gun in my life.

that said, at this point i could give a fuck about gun laws.. I dont even like them when they spammed on my facebook page anymore.

But that wont stop republicans from crying about gun laws constantly inbetween crying about every other fucking law they want to impose on the american populace with their hypocritical bullshit.

none else find it ironic sidelle says i support shira law and puting cloaks over women, while she advocates the removal of rights for a woman to do what she wants with her own body.

smh

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the abortion issue comes directly from one group of people thinking killing babies is wrong, while the other side of the argument knows killing babies protects families and individuals from hardships, as well as prevents people from harming themselves to having their own illegal abortions when you outlaw it.

Kudos to you for acknowledging the truth of the act. Not a lot who will. I tend to support abortion rights because it is in the best interest of society that people who are that irresponsible do not reproduce. Procreation by such individuals is nothing more than propagation of misery.

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves? You would be averting hardship in both cases. Or does the reasoning only apply to offspring? What if your child was hit by a motorist and paralyzed for the rest of their life? Would it not be acceptable then to kill them to avoid the hardship?

Life is full of hardship. Those who do not learn to overcome it, inherently spread it.

[Sidelle]

When have I ever said I was against abortion? Oh, you just assumed I am? Next time you might want to find out the truth before you post.

For the record, I'm NOT anti-abortion. I don't want it to be outlawed again because women will end up dead trying to either do it themselves or having a butcher of a doctor take care of it.

However, I am vehemently against late term abortiions unless the mother's life is in danger. Do you even know what they do to those late term babies to kill them?

So what are you gonna pull out of your ass next time?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I am vehemently against late term abortiions unless the mother's life is in danger. Do you even know what they do to those late term babies to kill them?

So what are you gonna pull out of your ass next time?

We want to let all these single male immigrants and adults into our country by the hundreds of thousands, but we can't even develop a foster program to the degree necessary to deal with the SMALL demand for late term abortions.

Planned Parenthood infrastructure already exists to defer these women away from late-term abortion and convince them to participate in a federal foster program.

But "my body, my choice". Fuck you. I loathe unreasonable ideologues who take up extreme positions without compromise. I'm all for the right to do it, if you tone down the extremism by making a good faith effort to divert away from abortion and into foster programs.

Hell, give them some fucking tax dollars for agreeing to it. Consider it an investment in human capital.

Just strikes me as ass backwards.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We want to let all these single male immigrants and adults into our country by the hundreds of thousands, but we can't even develop a foster program to the degree necessary to deal with the SMALL demand for late term abortions.

Planned Parenthood infrastructure already exists to defer these women away from late-term abortion and convince them to participate in a federal foster program.

But "my body, my choice". Fuck you. I loathe unreasonable ideologues who take up extreme positions without compromise. I'm all for the right to do it, if you tone down the extremism by making a good faith effort to divert away from abortion and into foster programs.

Hell, give them some fucking tax dollars for agreeing to it. Consider it an investment in human capital.

Just strikes me as ass backwards.

You have some good points there. I concur.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kudos to you for acknowledging the truth of the act. Not a lot who will. I tend to support abortion rights because it is in the best interest of society that people who are that irresponsible do not reproduce. Procreation by such individuals is nothing more than propagation of misery.

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves? You would be averting hardship in both cases. Or does the reasoning only apply to offspring? What if your child was hit by a motorist and paralyzed for the rest of their life? Would it not be acceptable then to kill them to avoid the hardship?

Life is full of hardship. Those who do not learn to overcome it, inherently spread it.

its tough I know, which is why a lot of good people probubly struggle with the decision.

I suggest not thinking of it as a precident setting issue. Think of an issue in and of its self.

By supporting the choice to end a pregnacy you may not also support the killing of your parrents hehe.

I mean, if we are goign to think of stretch edge cases, every time you masterbate, are you commiting murder?

Everytime you blow it on a first date, since you might have had kids with them one day, is that murder?

You see how many rediculous place you can take that type of thinking?

As for if your kid is hit by a car and is in a vegitative state, I do think its ok to pull the plug.

Does that mean that if your kid gets a cold, may as well start over?

no.

So yea...

Finally Sidelle, you make baseless accusations about how I hate america and support shaira law, and you try to lecture me on making assumptions about people?

Ive been incredibly clear where I stand on issues, and yet you still can't figure out who I am and try to say I am X or Y... I like that you take such great offence to being treated exactly how you treat others.

[Sidelle]

IRYD: I don't even consider myself to be especially conservative. Yes, I'd prefer a smaller and less useless government and more fiscal responsibility. What's wrong with that?

I support gay marriage and women's rights. I thought I'd mention that because you (hysterically) accused me of wanting to strip away women's rights. I don't even know where the fuck that came from. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Oh yeah, I'm also not even religious and don't go to church so I don't believe in the fucking devil. For fuck's sake, you can be such a freak. Settle down a bit. LOL There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

Anyway, STFU about people when you don't even know what you're talking about.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IRYD: I don't even consider myself to be especially conservative. Yes, I'd prefer a smaller and less useless government and more fiscal responsibility. What's wrong with that?

I support gay marriage and women's rights. I thought I'd mention that because you (hysterically) accused me of wanting to strip away women's rights. I don't even know where the fuck that came from. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Oh yeah, I'm also not even religious and don't go to church so I don't believe in the fucking devil. For fuck's sake, you can be such a freak. Settle down a bit. LOL There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

Anyway, STFU about people when you don't even know what you're talking about.

dude sidelle fuck off. Dont you fucking tell me to STFU when ALL YOU FUCKING DO is say I am a haira law supporting anti american, youa re such a fucking kettle calling me black.

you need to fucking take a step back and stop being such a cunt.

You quoted adn argued with me about abortion and spouted of nonsense about gun control

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no reason we can't have a mature conversation about these things.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

STFU

You are the reason we cannot ahve a mature convo about htis, you refuse to respond to anything I say ever except to just make attacks.

I happen to be having a mature convo about this shit with maskedmellon right now, while you cunt up this thread with your bloody period.

[iruinedyourday]

oh on that note!:

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That aside, the basis of your support is interesting. If it is acceptable to kill babies to avoid hardship, is it not also acceptable to kill your parents if they become demented and unable to care for themselves?

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your bloody period.

since we're not actively trying to STOP women form having their period, are we not committing murder?