How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[Tann]

"How to Trust a moderate Muslim?"

How to trust a pasty waif nerd at any US school these days?

[-TK-]

Don't think that I support any religion; moderate or extreme. Sitting here nit-picking each religion, thinking that one is inherently better than the other, gets nowhere and proves nothing except that they are all flawed and the common problem is really the human psyche. These posts are primarily meant to incite conflict and really shouldn't be here on this forum in the first place.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an ignorant bigot troll thread and will be gone soon.

Said the bigot nevermore

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't think that I support any religion; moderate or extreme. Sitting here nit-picking each religion, thinking that one is inherently better than the other, gets nowhere and proves nothing except that they are all flawed and the common problem is really the human psyche. These posts are primarily meant to incite conflict and really shouldn't be here on this forum in the first place.

Waaaaa, I don't agree, censorship now. I demand it.

Btw please stop people from using science to debunk global warming too. My Fascism can't take it anymore.

P.S.
Think we're passed inciting conflict, that started around 627 AD

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is only a very recent development, with modern evangelicals finding a loophole to further adapt Christianity to an extremely secular culture (compared to how things used to be). Now you don't even need to read or understand the bible and find a uniform conclusion if you don't want to, just love Christ! Is there an icky part of the bible? Who cares! It's all about your love for Christ! And I doubt Catholics would appreciate being characterized as not following Christ's teachings, considering the accounts of Paul, Peter, disciples etc are believed to also be true accounts of what Christ wanted.

Which loophole are you referring to? The books that I referenced comprise the new testament, all of which was written by Christ's apostles. Read it, any of it. It does not contain the same violence of the Talmund (Old Testament) or the Qur'an. It just doesn't. Christ was a pacifist.

The text is vitally more important than the people, because any organization/ideology is susceptible to adverse selection and exploitation, but the question of whether or not the text specifically allows for or encourages a behavior determines the degree to which exploitation is likely.

For Christians it took 1500+ years of extrapolation 300-400 of education and development to allow most Christians to focus on the text of their namesake and minimize (though not eliminate as seen in televangelists, catholic priests, etc.) exploitation.

The question at hand is can, Islam reach that point? The text suggests not.

For peace, Christ took a step forward for Jews. Mohamed took 3 backwards.

[James_Joyce]

It you think the Quran is sick, just wait until you read some of the creepier quotes in the Talmud and by highly esteemed rabbis with official positions in Israeli society.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most modern Christians choose to ignore most of the old testament, because the old testament is about as sadistic as the Quran, and it's no longer compatible with most Western cultures.

As a Christian I take issue with your haphazard remark which doesn't resemble Christian theology at all since the time our first councils rejected the errors of Marcion way back in the second century AD. In case you don't know, Marcion and his followers rejected the Old Testament scriptures and taught that the "God" of the New Testament destroyed the God of the "Old Testament." Any way, you are simply mistaken.

The fact of the matter is that so-called "modern Christians" do NOT ignore most of the Old Testament. Rather, they understand that the Old Testament records civil laws, among many other things, that pertained to the ancient Israelite civilization and had never applied outside the borders of that nation. Even the Jews themselves see their civil laws bounded within the borders of their own nation. For instance, we don't read about the Jews of the Diaspora taking the civil laws of Jerusalem, lets say, to cities in ancient Persia where they were dispersed. Another example, Jews aren't recorded stoning people to death in any civilization outside their own homeland.

By the time of Christianity, most Christians see Jesus as being the fulfillment of the law of Moses. So Christians do not adopt the civil laws or the dietary laws of the Jews. The only laws adopted are those spelled out by Jesus Himself regarding the ten commandments and those laws handed down by the Apostles of Jesus.

So no. "Most modern Christians" do not "Choose to ignore most of the old testament" as you erroneously claim.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a Christian I take issue with your haphazard remark which doesn't resemble Christian theology at all since the time our first councils rejected the errors of Marcion way back in the second century AD.

considering you think bernie sanders is the devil, Id say you makea pretty good american however a terrible cristian.

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact of the matter is that so-called "modern Christians" do NOT ignore most of the Old Testament.

Yea, they simply ignore EVERY teaching jesus stood for... they are infact the children of the devil and will cause the apocalypse and hopefully there is no lake of fire, because if there is, THEY will be the ones lamenating in it for eternity.

While I will party hard with Bernie in the clouds.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

considering you think bernie sanders is the devil, Id say you makea pretty good american however a terrible cristian.

Considering that you likely hold the ignorant pop-culture view that Jesus was some sort of socialist, I don't blame you for your uninformed judgement of me.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, they simply ignore EVERY teaching jesus stood for... they are infact the children of the devil and will cause the apocalypse and hopefully there is no lake of fire, because if there is, THEY will be the ones lamenating in it for eternity.

While I will party hard with Bernie in the clouds.

WOW! You need to get out more.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering that you likely hold the ignorant pop-culture view that Jesus was some sort of socialist, I don't blame you for your uninformed judgement of me.

actual photo of jesus:

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