Discussion on 20 minute engage rule for undead bard (trak guts) when next patch comes

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, no one cares much about Ragefire anymore and he drops more valuable items and epic piece for a more played class.

The BPs can be sold in EC - most of Ragefires loot is No Drop - thats the key difference

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 20 minute clause covers this just fine, don't go full retard and turn in the lute early and then try to rally your forces. Get your team in place, coth down (or walk, whatever) then do the turn in and start the clock.

Don't be dense. If you didn't spawn the mob, do not touch it. Its that simple.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The BPs can be sold in EC - most of Ragefires loot is No Drop - thats the key difference

IF they random and sell the BPs for 20-40k to get 12 people to camp out and show up everyday, they will average 1.5-3kp per fake Trak. Bring 18 and it drops to 1.1-2.2k per person. Bring 24 and you get 833-1.6k per person.

There are far better things they can do with their time than farm fake trak and leave their character camped on poop mountain.

If a new trak BP is coming in to world every day, those 20-40k prices won't stay that high for long. Plus the normal traks every ~3 days.

Bards 46+ are so few and far between compared to other classes, they can easily boycott the gut sales from the farmers. Plus they don't have a need for the guts until they have the white scale anyway. If guilds are farming fake trak, they will quickly over flow with surplus guts and nothing to do with them.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be dense. If you didn't spawn the mob, do not touch it. Its that simple.

This is how it should be, the community needs to learn to be nice to each other and stop relying on Omni etc to be a single shining example <3

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF they random and sell the BPs for 20-40k to get 12 people to camp out and show up everyday, they will average 1.5-3kp per fake Trak. Bring 18 and it drops to 1.1-2.2k per person. Bring 24 and you get 833-1.6k per person.

There are far better things they can do with their time than farm fake trak and leave their character camped on poop mountain.

If a new trak BP is coming in to world every day, those 20-40k prices won't stay that high for long. Plus the normal traks every ~3 days.

Trak dies in under 5 minutes on Blue, this is including the time it takes to actually kill him, the raid guilds have it down to a fine science - Logging in for 15 minutes once a day to basically /random for 20k....I guess we will see who is right, i predict extreme farm fest mode.

P.S. - Guts will be the least valued item from this whole thing, it would not surprise me if they went on rot status very quickly and any bard who wants them can just have them.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is how it should be, the community needs to learn to be nice to each other and stop relying on Omni etc to be a single shining example <3

The issue I have is someone turning in then taking however long they want. Hours maybe? Twenty minutes is fine. Mobilize your force, go do the turnin, kill the dragon. Everyone needs to stop thinking of it like Ragefire where you turn in first then solve all the other problems after.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue I have is someone turning in then taking however long they want. Hours maybe? Twenty minutes is fine. Mobilize your force, go do the turnin, kill the dragon. Everyone needs to stop thinking of it like Ragefire where you turn in first then solve all the other problems after.

Whats wrong with them taking their time? It's not anyone else's spawn than theirs.

UDB pops when Trak is up, so his timer isn't based on Trak. Is it based on fake trak? Or is it just based on UDB?

[Axlrose]

Before I faded from playing Live, Trak's guts was the last piece I needed to complete my epic. The red scale I remember getting from some monster down in The Hole while the white scale was lifted from Gorenaire's corpse. To continue my good luck, on the first try with the mob from Kedge (P-something), the backbone dropped for me too.

While I am quite some time away from starting and running through my epics (multiple characters), it does sound daunting that as a newbie, players will freely shower you with gear, items, and spells to help you along. But the higher you get, the more cut throat it seems to be among the raiding groups.

I understand there is "value" in these items. But with the game basically at the end of it progression, eventually the value will be lost due to flooding of the market, right?

[Swish]

Oh but you know "Guild X" would just love to moan if a smaller guild was taking longer to mobilize than THEY feel is necessary.

Let guilds do it at their own pace? Not happy with how long they're taking? How's this for an idea...HELP THEM!

Stop looking at every encounter as an opportunity to get someone's 4th alt (bard) that they never play an item. People sink a lot of time into this, don't be cutthroat about it.

When is BDAs own private server coming up? I think that would suit you all, free from the restraints of a community holding you back with their inefficiencies and true casual nature.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Axlrose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before I faded from playing Live, Trak's guts was the last piece I needed to complete my epic. The red scale I remember getting from some monster down in The Hole while the white scale was lifted from Gorenaire's corpse. To continue my good luck, on the first try with the mob from Kedge (P-something), the backbone dropped for me too.

While I am quite some time away from starting and running through my epics (multiple characters), it does sound daunting that as a newbie, players will freely shower you with gear, items, and spells to help you along. But the higher you get, the more cut throat it seems to be among the raiding groups.

I understand there is "value" in these items. But with the game basically at the end of it progression, eventually the value will be lost due to flooding of the market, right?

I doubt you actually need to worry.

To put it into context, Lodizal and Keldor Dek'whatever spawn every 18 hours (Lodi has some unclassic variance though). Both drop items 100% of the time that go for 40k+. Neither of them get more than a handful of people out each day. To think that 12-18 high level neckbeards will park a kill force in a remote location like Seb to take a shot at sniping the UDB is a little crazy.