An account of corruption. Too long to read and Chest kills his own group because Bad

[Spenny121]

Originally Posted by Ostros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because in the absence of raid engagement rules, literally every camp is FTE, cut and dry.

PoM is a plane, technically a raid zone if you wanna engage in semantics. In both versions of the rules, OP doesn't win.

There's no winning here. Not even lawyering. That's just how it works. Know your rules.

I'm done arguing. I think one of your last posts summed it up. Neither party is a winner in this situation. I still think Chest and co were huge dickheads for moving in on a camp they knew was already taken, regardless if someone was relogging.

[Ostros]

Originally Posted by Spenny121 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm done arguing. I think one of your last posts summed it up. Neither party is a winner in this situation. I still think Chest and co were huge dickheads for moving in on a camp they knew was already taken, regardless if someone was relogging.

Yeah, that's more or less how I feel. The rules should change a bit. FTE leads to too much of this shit. FIF is better in every way.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, he did- lets go through the major events, and describe who should have rights to the camp, shall we?

1 - Nixxar and friend duo and clear dudes happily
Camp belongs to - Nixxar

2 - BDA and friends show up and contest the camp. Nixxar allegedly trains BDA
Camp belongs to Nixxar, unless Nixxar trained BDA...in which case BDA should get it (still kinda a stretch though, they had been killing them for a long while with no issues, but I'll put this on the table)

3 - Nixxars friend logs out and quickly logs back in
Camp belongs to BDA, congratulations!!!! You did it!!!! You now have the camp to yourselves!

4 - BDA pulls a fucking train (INTENTIONALLY, mind you) to Nixxar/friend and BDA. BDA wipes.
Camp now belongs to Nixxar and friend again because BDA wiped.

Again, don't train. Nobody wins.

Understandable since you weren't there. But you don't have your facts straight. BDA showed up to contest a camp that had a single monk sitting at it (Who obviously can't solo it) then an enchanter showed up. Monk/Enc can't duo it. Puppets started spawning and we started killing them. Enc logged out and Shaman logged in a few min later. At this point Shaman slowed a mob we weren't fighting and Nixxar got it into summoning range while the Shaman logged out and Nixxar FD'd to make the mob summon BDA healers repeatedly til they died (His intention)

BDA rezzed up and Nixxar/Shaman were fighting puppets when Chest did the same thing back to them in retaliation. At no point did Nixxar have legal claim to the camp from the point BDA showed up til the point Braknar showed up and confirmed he was in the wrong. Braknar has access to the logs and made a ruling that follows the rules that P99 has established for these type of situations. If you're mad about the rules that's fine. I certainly don't agree with all the rules on P99. But as the kids say "Don't hate the player hate the game"

[Loke]

These are the same people who used the 20 minute rule to steal Xenovorash from another monk who triggered it. It really is par for the course as far BDA is concerned. If BDA hadnt been hovering around the camp waiting for an opportunity to play rule lawyer this entire situation would have been avoided, but I guess the allure of those PoM pixels is more important than not being dickheads.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are the same people who used the 20 minute rule to steal Xenovorash from another monk who triggered it. It really is par for the course as far BDA is concerned. If BDA hadnt been hovering around the camp waiting for an opportunity to play rule lawyer this entire situation would have been avoided, but I guess the allure of those PoM pixels is more important than not being dickheads.

Apparently, per the Server Guide that's not the case. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Reading comprehension, it's not new. You should have learned that in Grammar school.

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Understandable since you weren't there. But you don't have your facts straight. BDA showed up to contest a camp that had a single monk sitting at it (Who obviously can't solo it) then an enchanter showed up. Monk/Enc can't duo it. Puppets started spawning and we started killing them. Enc logged out and Shaman logged in a few min later. At this point Shaman slowed a mob we weren't fighting and Nixxar got it into summoning range while the Shaman logged out and Nixxar FD'd to make the mob summon BDA healers repeatedly til they died (His intention)

BDA rezzed up and Nixxar/Shaman were fighting puppets when Chest did the same thing back to them in retaliation. At no point did Nixxar have legal claim to the camp from the point BDA showed up til the point Braknar showed up and confirmed he was in the wrong. Braknar has access to the logs and made a ruling that follows the rules that P99 has established for these type of situations. If you're mad about the rules that's fine. I certainly don't agree with all the rules on P99. But as the kids say "Don't hate the player hate the game"

All you need to know is Nixxar+friend were present when Chest intentionally trained everyone, causing a BDA wipe.

Shoulda been Nixxars camp.

Enjoy your ruling. You "earned" it.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All you need to know is Nixxar+friend were present when Chest intentionally trained everyone, causing a BDA wipe.

Shoulda been Nixxars camp.

Enjoy your ruling. You "earned" it.

Holy shit how many times does this have to be explained. Nixxar + Friend were present when Chest did the same thing Nixxar did yes. After that happened BDA as well as Nixxar's friend were both dead. The only remaining people at the camp was Nixxar and Chest since they can FD and everyone else was on the aggro list and got summoned/killed. Everyone was present for Nixxar's wipe and everyone was present for Chest's wipe until they all died except the monks. The time Nixxar did it his shaman camped out before he FD'd but I think we can agree training the other group doesn't mean you win the camp. Explain to me how this means Nixxar should get camp? It seems you're under the assumption that Chest killed the BDA group and Nixxar/Shaman both lived. This is not the case.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently, per the Server Guide that's not the case. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Reading comprehension, it's not new. You should have learned that in Grammar school.

Remember that time you were trying to be smug about using a rule technicality to be a scumbag? I mean, you were almost gloating about it. God, wasnt that embarrassing for you? BDA should probably make you an officer or something.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Gulliver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Thu Oct 22 18:51:24 2015] Vasec tells you, 'you just greifed me from my point of view .. thats all im responding and talking about here'

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hehe

[JboxCSU]

You wanted to rule lawyer, I'm rule lawyering.

I said if Nixxar trained you intentionally, should have been your camp.

I've also said that BDA owned the camp 100% when Chest decided it would be a fun adventure to train everyone.

Again. BDA had every right to the camp when Chest decided to train. Got it? Ok. Remember, it's your camp right now.

That amazing decision by your fearless leader to train everyone wiped BDA. Now that the Shaman/Monk were present and contesting the camp. Since BDA trained, they demonstrated their inability to hold the camp. These rules are very clear. What was once yours, should now belong back to Nixxar and friend.

You're asking for the difference between the Nixxar train and the Chest train? The order in which it happened.