The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

Still Takens train IMO.

Don't pull targets across the zone.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

So an unaggroed train that BDA intercepts is now our responsibility? By that VERY SAME LOGIC, the train no longer belonged to BDA and ownership was transferred to Elaments of Forgard the moment he FTE'd. How can you sit there and say it was BDA's train even though your puller was running it back in to your camp as well?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

If Taken initially pulled it and BDA just tried to split Iki as he was pathing back how in the shit could it possibly be blamed on BDA? Like others have said if BDA wasn't even in the zone the same result would have happened. You desperately want to peg this on BDA but you're being ridiculous. Lot's of accusations against Chest for not "manning up" and admitting when his guild is at fault (Even when they aren't) yet nobody wants to take the blame for being out of camp resulting in the aggroing the mob to begin with.

Not a real bright fella are ya?

[Oleris]

stopped reading after page 15.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove BDA from the equation, the same thing would have happened.



You mean your mage's pull? FTE is all that matters, and your mage had it.

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

You must be new to the raid scene, FTE is FTE regardless if its obtained by a monk, an SK, a bard, or, in this case, a mage. It was a pull because your mage brought a mob he FTE'd back to your camp. It is not BDA's responsibility to make sure your FTE's and engages do not contain adds and that the mob arrives in camp when your raid is ready to engage. Blame your pullers.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Taken initially pulled it and BDA just tried to split Iki as he was pathing back how in the shit could it possibly be blamed on BDA? Like others have said if BDA wasn't even in the zone the same result would have happened. You desperately want to peg this on BDA but you're being ridiculous. Lot's of accusations against Chest for not "manning up" and admitting when his guild is at fault (Even when they aren't) yet nobody wants to take the blame for being out of camp resulting in the aggroing the mob to begin with.

Not a real bright fella are ya?

Taken already manned up and apologized for training and said they wouldn't pull ntov to wtov. trying to split the boss out of a train constitutes a pull. If BDA had let the train reset then you are right, it wouldn't have been their problem. However instead of letting it reset they attempted to split the named out making it the 2nd pull, and thus taking responsibility for Taken's train.

No one was out of camp, that is your fearless leader spinning shit so he doesn't have to admit to making a stupid call. When people aren't training mobs all over TOV you can move around the stairs and even outside of the door without a problem. Neither BDA or Taken gave warning of what they were doing ahead of time or what the status of their trains was. So how do you expect people behind a closed door, that doesn't stop agro anyway, to know that a train is currently pathing back?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must be new to the raid scene, FTE is FTE regardless if its obtained by a monk, an SK, a bard, or, in this case, a mage. It was a pull because your mage brought a mob he FTE'd back to your camp. It is not BDA's responsibility to make sure your FTE's and engages do not contain adds and that the mob arrives in camp when your raid is ready to engage. Blame your pullers.

LOL really? So I could say pull vindi past your raid in kael, FD and then when Vindi agros your raid and sends out a new FTE its now your fault? Good to finally understand the uneducated rules BDA lives by I guess. Have fun raiding now that your entire guild seems to think its ok to train a raid as long as you can drop threat before they get proximity agro....

[JboxCSU]

Think of it this way -
Scenario 1 - Guild A pulls a mobs all the way the fuck across a zone. My thought is they own that train as the mob(s) return to their spawn point.

Scenario 2 - Guild A pulls mob halfway across the zone, Guild B tags it and drops it off all the way across the zone. In this case, Guild B the mob from where they tagged the mob to the zone line, and Guild A owns it from their loss of aggro to the mobs spawn.

Scenario 3 - Guild A pulls a mob all the way across the zone, drops aggro and the mob starts walking back. Guild B attempts to split, and drags the mobs slightly off course of their return path, and drops aggro. In this case, Guild B owns the train from the mobs patching back to where they snagged aggro from the mobs. Guild A takes the train back when the mobs start walking back on their original path.

This situation is Scenario 3. That fucking train was walking down that path whether or not BDA attempted the split or not.

My opinion it's Takens train.

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL really? So I could say pull vindi past your raid in kael, FD and then when Vindi agros your raid and sends out a new FTE its now your fault? Good to finally understand the uneducated rules BDA lives by I guess. Have fun raiding now that your entire guild seems to think its ok to train a raid as long as you can drop threat before they get proximity agro....

You could try, but our members get DKP for not standing in traffic.