Camp list rules?

[paladin1118]

Was just wondering how this works. If someone logs out should they be removed from a camp waiting list immediately? Does being on an alt count as keeping your place on a camp list?

I was trying to get a camp in the karanas but was told two people were ahead of me on the list but one doesn't seem to be online at all.

Thanks for the help.

[Legi0n]

I wouldn't say they should automatically be pulled from the list. I'd argue that they remain on the list, but if their name comes up when it's time to claim camp and they're not on, then they lose out.

There could be a number of good reasons to need to log off temporarily. With all said, I do think that someone on a list should do their best to remain on and immediately available to claim the camp if they wish to remain on said list.

[Pringles]

They have to be present, at the camp, to remain on the list.

[maskedmelon]

As far as rules are concerned there are no lists :/ There is only who is next. You don't need to be online to be next in line for a camp. Players camping a mob may choose to pass the camp to whomever they wish. However, when asked whonis next in line, the camper must give the name of that player or the camp becomes FFA upon their departure ^^. The named player must arrive at the camp within 5 minutes of the prior camper's departure or the camp becomes FFA.

Hope hat helps! ^^

[Baler]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The named player must arrive at the camp within 5 minutes of the prior camper's departure or the camp becomes FFA.

I thought it was within the time that the mob was down and not re-popped.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sell to vendors while camping certain spawns and as long as im back to the spawn before it repops I'm still camping it.

@op - camp rules boil down to play nice policy generally.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought it was within the time that the mob was down and not re-popped.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sell to vendors while camping certain spawns and as long as im back to the spawn before it repops I'm still camping it.

@op - camp rules boil down to play nice policy generally.

Yes that is permissible per the rules, as long as you remain within the vicinity and are keeping ph cleared. I am referring to when you have finished and leave for good. Then the next person (whomever you have elected to pass camp to) needs to get there within 5 min. It may be worded as "a reasonable time" and the 5 min was just thrown out as an example. Would have to dig up the post ^^

[BulletCatcher]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes that is permissible per the rules, as long as you remain within the vicinity and are keeping ph cleared.

I believe the correct ruling is that as long as you can keep the camp cleared in a reasonable amount of time. If i run to vendor and return to a just spawned mob or someone else who is sitting at my cleared camp, I still own the camp. Just gotta talk it out with the other players.

Calling for a CC is a good way to who is camping what so you can find out who you gotta talk to about the list, if there is one.

Anyone disputing a camp with the original camper who went to vendor knows they are not correct. Unfortunately it may take a petition to get it settled. But most people I have meet in this scenario have been respectful. Maybe its because im lvl 54 now. I feel like higher level characters are more agreeable in situations like this. There are always outliers though.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as rules are concerned there are no lists :/ There is only who is next. You don't need to be online to be next in line for a camp. Players camping a mob may choose to pass the camp to whomever they wish. However, when asked whonis next in line, the camper must give the name of that player or the camp becomes FFA upon their departure ^^. The named player must arrive at the camp within 5 minutes of the prior camper's departure or the camp becomes FFA.

Hope hat helps! ^^

This is perfectly explained.

Consider this scenario:

Camp X is held by John Smith. Harry Stevens shows up and says "add me to the list"

When John decides to leave, even if he's told Harry Stevens that Harry is "next in line" - John is under no obligation to forfeit the camp to Harry Stevens.

John possesses the camp and at any point may decide to hand the camp to any person of his choosing.

This is why, in my eyes, lists are purposeless. Even if you're on a list, the person holding the camp may decide who will receive the camp next. They are not obligated to follow the list.

Now the only exception to choosing to follow or not follow the "list" is if a list-member stays at the camp with the camp holder. The camp holder cannot gift the camp to someone who is not currently present, or has not yet arrived if someone is physically there waiting for the camp.

[clouddynasty]

*http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...19&postcount=9

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

If the camp holder ignores you when you ask and nobody else is there waiting, you have claim but the camp holder is under no obligation to contact you when they're done, so you'll need to park your butt there. Basically exactly as Azeth said. =)

[maskedmelon]

Here is an old take on it from former staff:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...19&postcount=9