Upcoming change to class epics

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's classic, though. With planes participation, epics could only be completed at 46. Despite that, the clickies could only be clicked starting at 50.

The issue is magnified by the fact that there is/was no conclusive evidence to support the change to make epics have a level equip requirement.

AND that they waited all these years to implement it.
AND they only did it to introduce some 'balance' to the server.

If balance was an issue, then maybe they should have never implemented MQs.


So after all this, the least they could do would be amend the casts /effects on weapons to match their equip level. This attempt to honor 'classic' is so laughable it's sickening.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is magnified by the fact that there is/was no conclusive evidence to support the change to make epics have a level equip requirement.

AND that they waited all these years to implement it.
AND they only did it to introduce some 'balance' to the server.

If balance was an issue, then maybe they should have never implemented MQs.

This is an on-going project.

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So after all this, the least they could do would be amend the casts /effects on weapons to match their equip level.

Not classic. Not even in the spirit of classic. Not going to happen.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is magnified by the fact that there is/was no conclusive evidence to support the change to make epics have a level equip requirement.

I just posted a CURRENT post from alakhazam showing no level requirement on the ITEM itself.

The check should have been the NPC, that the devs fault for not fixing this 6 years ago and letting the MQ market run wild.

They should not have added a non-classic or even current level requirement to an item when it never existed and still to this day does not exist, again check the zam.com ragebringer item page. There is no discussion, this is a fact. Period.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just posted a CURRENT post from alakhazam showing no level requirement on the ITEM itself.

It also shows two augs. Are you advocating that we should have augments?

Since you asked for it, here are more examples of the nonsense from your other post:

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no epic has a level requirement on it.

I had one of these on live. It clearly has a level requirement.

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a non-classic nerf to epics because rogues, as that is the only class is really affected.

Are you implying that people weren't MQing Swiftwind onto ranger alts? Also, you seem to be in denial about the raw power people were getting from the stats on epic MQs, despite the fact that they could not click them.

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A rogue can backstab with it lv 5

No, they cannot backstab until level 10.

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason they did it has nothing to do with it being classic.

Can you prove this? Can you post any evidence whatsoever that proves beyond any doubt that epic quests were able to be completed before level 46?

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they wanted to make the quest undoable by a lv 1, sure I get that. Make the QUEST NPC not talk to you till 46 or eat the dagger if you arent lv 46+ and tried to turn in it, THAT would be classic.

Ok, but what do you do about ones that already exist? You don't seem to have thought this through very well.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It also shows two augs. Are you advocating that we should have augments?

Since you asked for it, here are more examples of the nonsense from your other post:



I had one of these on live. It clearly has a level requirement.



Are you implying that people weren't MQing Swiftwind onto ranger alts? Also, you seem to be in denial about the raw power people were getting from the stats on epic MQs, despite the fact that they could not click them.



No, they cannot backstab until level 10.



Can you prove this? Can you post any evidence whatsoever that proves beyond any doubt that epic quests were able to be completed before level 46?



Ok, but what do you do about ones that already exist? You don't seem to have thought this through very well.

Fatestealer wasn't even in game in classic so your argument is invalid using that as an example. By that point they had implemented level requirements for gear.

Yes I am one of those who MQ swiftwind and actually earthcaller on my level 30 ranger on B99. Not really to play him just to sit there in full tolans and have GMs run by and give him illusions like High Elf and Troll and get constant tells for SoW while I chatted with friends. I was trying to get back to EC after helping someone track Quill and made the mistake of using swamp pot it didn't work out well for me lol to say the least.

I also had my epic pre46 on live on an alt with help from some friends and multiquests. I have to find my old HP computer and get SS off it but I do have SS from that time period. Monk epic consisted of looting fang from Xeno after he was killed. Then having someone else MQ the book from Skyfire with you. Raster was probably the hardest part back then with a MQ of the fights. KC was camped constantly so that pipe was easy and the Chardok pipe I don't remember how I got that one. I was actually getting some xp in the ruins while trying to get Brother Balatin to spawn back then.


Easiest and fairest fix would have just been to change all of the effects to not work until 46-51 Which may have been the case on live because I know monks couldn't click their epics prior to like somewhere in the 46-50 range.

But at this point I'm just moping so ignore me. Its not like I play on blue anymore I log in occasionally to talk to friends. I can do that with my epics bagged. Its done and we will just have to deal with it.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fatestealer wasn't even in game in classic so your argument is invalid using that as an example. By that point they had implemented level requirements for gear.

Fatestealer was an epic that had a level requirement. He did not specify Kunark epics.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also had my epic pre46 on live on an alt with help from some friends and multiquests. I have to find my old HP computer and get SS off it but I do have SS from that time period. Monk epic consisted of looting fang from Xeno after he was killed. Then having someone else MQ the book from Skyfire with you. Raster was probably the hardest part back then with a MQ of the fights. KC was camped constantly so that pipe was easy and the Chardok pipe I don't remember how I got that one. I was actually getting some xp in the ruins while trying to get Brother Balatin to spawn back then.

Again, specifying the time line would be important.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easiest and fairest fix would have just been to change all of the effects to not work until 46-51

Are you proposing a non-classic change as an alternative to a change you deem not classic? Also, to clarify, what you're saying is that you don't think the worn affects should be active until some arbitrary level between 46-51 (hint, the number you are looking for is 50)? I don't even know if that's possible.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But at this point I'm just moping so ignore me. Its not like I play on blue anymore I log in occasionally to talk to friends. I can do that with my epics bagged. Its done and we will just have to deal with it.

If you were able to pay for epics on a twink, why can you not afford to buy PL to 46? Or even, I don't know, go out and get the levels yourself?