Upcoming change to class epics

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 46 to equip, 50 to click.

Seems totally out of line compared to straight up weapons which can be equipped at 46.
They should adjust all the effects/spells of epics to start at 46 as well.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems totally out of line compared to straight up weapons which can be equipped at 46.
They should adjust all the effects/spells of epics to start at 46 as well.

No epic should have a level requirement. You can go to alakhazam right now and see that right now as of today, no epic has a level requirement on it. This is a non-classic nerf to epics because rogues, as that is the only class is really affected.

A shaman cant click his till 46 so not a real problem there. A cleric cannot click theirs till 50 so no a problem there.

A rogue can backstab with it lv 5 and above and do amazing dps +40% haste.

The reason they did it has nothing to do with it being classic. Or having to go planes (see cleric epic walkthrough for the lack of any planar raid required) those were the bs excuses given.

There is more evidence that shrink should work in unrest(and every god damn dungeon) documented on this site than the evidence used to justify the nerf to epics and they still havent fixed that. They even said their was conflicting reports, but decided to nerf epics anyway.

Just understand they are gonna do whatever they wanna do. Classic or not doesn't matter.


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4066

Ragebringer

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
Backstab DMG: 15
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100
SV DISEASE: +10 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Attack: +40 Haste: +40%
Effect: Seething Fury (Worn, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL except ERU HIE TRL OGR IKS
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


If they wanted to make the quest undoable by a lv 1, sure I get that. Make the QUEST NPC not talk to you till 46 or eat the dagger if you arent lv 46+ and tried to turn in it, THAT would be classic.

The actual change to the item is bs. They wanted to retroactively nerf everyone with an epic under 46 and that is what they did.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They wanted to retroactively nerf everyone with an epic under 46 and that is what they did.

You are 100% right about one thing, independent of the fact that the rest of your post was just rambling nonsense. This is a nerf to all characters that have purchased MQed epics before they were the appropriate level. This is intended.

It is easy enough to work around, though. Get 46.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are 100% right about one thing, independent of the fact that the rest of your post was just rambling nonsense. This is a nerf to all characters that have purchased MQed epics before they were the appropriate level. This is intended.

It is easy enough to work around, though. Get 46.

Please specify which parts you consider rambling. The link to the item? The item itself? The possible fixes that dont involve retroactive nerfs that never existed in live and still dont to this day? Be specific please.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really is frustrating but I guess if that was what they had to do then /shrug Swiftwind and Earthcaller will just stay in my bags on my ranger and ill never bother logging him in again.

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Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason they did it has nothing to do with it being classic. Or having to go planes (see cleric epic walkthrough for the lack of any planar raid required) those were the bs excuses given.

Again, here is the direct quote. "Additionally, we feel that acquiring an epic weapon should only be possible when a player has become powerful enough to cross interplanar portals."

He's not saying that all epics require planar travel. He's saying that they feel you should be POWERFUL ENOUGH to cross interplanar portals before attaining your epic. Your statement in no way invalidates this.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Kutsumo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Again, here is the direct quote. "Additionally, we feel that acquiring an epic weapon should only be possible when a player has become powerful enough to cross interplanar portals."

He's not saying that all epics require planar travel. He's saying that they feel you should be POWERFUL ENOUGH to cross interplanar portals before attaining your epic. Your statement in no way invalidates this.

"We feel" not "It was classic." And again, this means to COMPLETE the quest GOING FORWARD, not add a level requirement to an item that doesnt have a level requirement and never had a level requirement on live.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point Samoht.

And you have a tendency towards defending dumbasses just for the sake of defending dumbasses. Let me show you why you should stop. Here's the direct quote from ergo (again):

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No epic should have a level requirement. You can go to alakhazam right now and see that right now as of today, no epic has a level requirement on it.

Time-line = right now (emphasis = mine). Not Kunark era. He goes on to post this:

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4066

Ragebringer

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
Backstab DMG: 15
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100
SV DISEASE: +10 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Attack: +40 Haste: +40%
Effect: Seething Fury (Worn, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL except ERU HIE TRL OGR IKS
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)

Please tell me you see the problem with using this as the example. Fatestealer is the appropriate response.

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you have a tendency towards defending dumbasses just for the sake of defending dumbasses. Let me show you why you should stop. Here's the direct quote from ergo (again):



Time-line = right now (emphasis = mine). Not Kunark era. He goes on to post this:



Please tell me you see the problem with using this as the example. Fatestealer is the appropriate response.

It's called being intellectually dishonest. That's why. Fatestealers aren't in game. I didn't say 1.5 or 2.0 epics, I said epics, in context with P99.

You are either playing stupid, or you are stupid for that response and that was his point.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fatestealers aren't in game.

And neither are augs, worn attack power/haste (the mechanic is from worn AFFECTS like aura of battle or seething fury, not worn stats themselves), or backstab modifiers, but the data you pasted in clearly shows them. You used a terrible example that didn't support your case at all.

Holy crap you two don't understand irony. Even if I spelled it out directly in the post you quoted.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems totally out of line compared to straight up weapons which can be equipped at 46.
They should adjust all the effects/spells of epics to start at 46 as well.

It's classic, though. With planes participation, epics could only be completed at 46. Despite that, the clickies could only be clicked starting at 50.