If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've also read the Bible. I'm less impressed with that. It's so butchered from hundreds of years of willful manipulation that it's pretty much gibberish.

Indeed. Compare bibles that were published 50 years ago to those available today. Then go back 50 more ... it's pretty amazing how things have changed between the now and thens. It's also pretty blatantly obvious how things are worded (sometimes subtly other times not so much) to support whatever the current Christian agenda is at the time of the re-write.

It's a story book, albeit one with some great parables. It's also used as a sorry excuse to persecute people. I can't take it seriously when it's used for the latter. There is enough common ground on the good points of all religions that it comes across as very myopic to me when they continue to insist that one of them is absolute truth over another.

[boboo]

Theres degrees of hate

[boboo]

its a hate thats not built upon ignorance

[iamjack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Seeatee]

These books and religions clearly state you must follow their rules and philosophies or you will burn in eternal damnation.

this is untrue, at least as far as I am concerned, I am a Lutheran, what we are taught is that we will get into heaven as long as we A. believe in god B. believe in jesus C. ask for forgiveness for our sins D. forgive the people who have done wrong against us.

it sounds to me like you have a very basic and sensationalized grasp on exactly what religion is and how it works

also, it should be stated that religion and believing in god are TOTALLY different things, I know lots of people who dont believe in religion but do believe in god, its kind of like saying because you dont like McDonalds you must not like hamburgers period - religion and churches are man made institutions and are as susceptible to greed and corruption as any business or organization.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by Seeatee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is untrue, at least as far as I am concerned, I am a Lutheran, what we are taught is that we will get into heaven as long as we A. believe in god B. believe in jesus C. ask for forgiveness for our sins D. forgive the people who have done wrong against us.

it sounds to me like you have a very basic and sensationalized grasp on exactly what religion is and how it works

also, it should be stated that religion and believing in god are TOTALLY different things, I know lots of people who dont believe in religion but do believe in god, its kind of like saying because you dont like McDonalds you must not like hamburgers period - religion and churches are man made institutions and are as susceptible to greed and corruption as any business or organization.

So A. B. C. D. arent rules?

[Seeatee]

dont get me wrong they are definitely rules but they are very few in number and rather simplistic compared to most other organized religions ,

the way chutulu made it sound, if you dont walk around being an absolutely priestly saint you are going to burn in hell, and as far as my religion goes its just not true, in fact lutheranism is very laid back and relaxed, pretty much as long as you believe in god and ask for forgiveness your golden, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

[Dravingar]

Only reason to hate religion is they make liquor stores open later on sundays than any other day.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion only cheapens our existence here. It literally devalues our lives by saying there is something greater after this. I find that tragic and believe that we should love this life more than anything because it's the only one we get.

I laughed so hard when I read this. You say this then you spend your life playing a video game which, by the way, you are not only horrible at, but you have managed to convince multiple guilds of your incompetence in a few weeks time.

Threads like these are such a waste of time.

The bottom line on the matter is that there is an anthropologically universal truth amongst all human beings to ask questions about our reality which are not answerable by the empirical data around us in. No matter what you call it the basic pull for humans to ask questions---and seek answers---is as much a part of the human experience as having a thumb or a kidney. Why some people are afraid/angry/upset/etc. that some of us actively embrace this part of our humanity in our day to day lives confuses me.

I understand the objection that some ppl have is towards "organized religions" and not towards people of faith in particular, but as I read this thread I see many ppl who just seem out right ANGRY that other ppl live faith-based lives. I'm not sure what the psycho-religious term is to describe that type of anger, but it is analogous to the type of personality that doesn't like to see anyone around him be happy because he harbors some deep bitter resentment.

What is it to you if I talk to my (as you call it) "imaginary friend" every day before eating a meal or doing something important? Sounds like pure bitterness on your part that other people have found a way to live good, bountiful, and satisfying lives while you struggle to get out of your own problems.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laughed so hard when I read this. You say this then you spend your life playing a video game which, by the way, you are not only horrible at, but you have managed to convince multiple guilds of your incompetence in a few weeks time.

Threads like these are such a waste of time.

The bottom line on the matter is that there is an anthropologically universal truth amongst all human beings to ask questions about our reality which are not answerable by the empirical data around us in. No matter what you call it the basic pull for humans to ask questions---and seek answers---is as much a part of the human experience as having a thumb or a kidney. Why some people are afraid/angry/upset/etc. that some of us actively embrace this part of our humanity in our day to day lives confuses me.

I understand the objection that some ppl have is towards "organized religions" and not towards people of faith in particular, but as I read this thread I see many ppl who just seem out right ANGRY that other ppl live faith-based lives. I'm not sure what the psycho-religious term is to describe that type of anger, but it is analogous to the type of personality that doesn't like to see anyone around him be happy because he harbors some deep bitter resentment.

What is it to you if I talk to my (as you call it) "imaginary friend" every day before eating a meal or doing something important? Sounds like pure bitterness on your part that other people have found a way to live good, bountiful, and satisfying lives while you struggle to get out of your own problems.

ad hominems are all i see in this post.

How arrogant to say that because you believe in some flying man beard that you some how live a more wholesome, fulfilling life than I do.