I have never played a Monk

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Humans have better stats than Iksar. Humans 5 more strength and stamina, while Iksar get 10 more dexterity and 15 more agility. Sure, iksar get more raw melee stats, but STR and STA are much more important than DEX and AGI.

Nah ^^ Those extra 20-25hp will help on very rare occasions, very rare... How many times have you survived a combat round, feigned or whatever with less than 1% hp? I am guessing you can count them with your fist ^^ Sure it adds an extra 5hp or so to your mend and gives the cleric a free ch every 1-200 heals or so.

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best monks do this manually and habitually.

Ok, you got me... I am not the best. I freely admit that ^^

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is so wrong. You just need to be sneaking when you stand up. Hit sneak asap so that if it fails, you next chance for it to work comes sooner.

Ok, try this. Tonight (or tomorrow or next time you are in Norrath on your monk. You have one right?) Pull a few mobs and make sure the stack on you when you feign. Then think of me ^^ <3 and spam that sneak key. Watch. And learn ^^ It really does work. Now, it is only a concern if the mobs are stacked on you because then they will be the last thing to leave you and if they go at once as a clump, even the sploitastic sneak pull fails (alongside harmony). If you have a string of mobs spaced out from you it doesn't matter. Maybe that is where the confusion was coming from??

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sneak actually works in the back ~250 degrees, as in it still works if you are at a mob's side. You don't *have* to be behind them.

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Very cool ^^ That I did not know. I'll give it a try tonight. 110 degree frontal cone seems like an odd number, but ok ^^ If it works it works ^^ Tyx

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah ^^ Those extra 20-25hp will help on very rare occasions, very rare... How many times have you survived a combat round, feigned or whatever with less than 1% hp? I am guessing you can count them with your fist ^^ Sure it adds an extra 5hp or so to your mend and gives the cleric a free ch every 1-200 heals or so.

I didn't say it wasn't marginal, I said it was better. The 5 extra STA results in 20 more hp at level 60, which on it's own is better than 15 AGI and 10 DEX. The 5 extra STR is just gravy on top. I've survived fights with critical levels of hp many more times than you have predicted, and I've just barely died many more. In the former case it was a tiny bit of additional HP that saved me, and in the latter I could have been saved by just a few more. I'll take that a small amount of HP over another proc every hour and a few points of broken AC any day.

Sure, it's just 20 hp. But if you think that 20 hp doesn't matter, you'll also likely think that a djarn's isn't worth it over a platinum fire wedding ring. And that a heiro isn't worth it over a hooded black cloak. And you won't allocate your starting stats to stamina either. This attitude will cause you to constantly miss out on additional hitpoints, and the end result will be that your character will have hundreds of HP less than they could because you don't realize that HP is king.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, try this. Tonight (or tomorrow or next time you are in Norrath on your monk. You have one right?) Pull a few mobs and make sure the stack on you when you feign. Then think of me ^^ <3 and spam that sneak key. Watch. And learn ^^ It really does work. Now, it is only a concern if the mobs are stacked on you because then they will be the last thing to leave you and if they go at once as a clump, even the sploitastic sneak pull fails (alongside harmony). If you have a string of mobs spaced out from you it doesn't matter. Maybe that is where the confusion was coming from??

I'm really not sure what effect you are claiming that sneaking while flopped has on a monk attempting to split with sneak pull. The best I can tell is that you are claiming that sneaking while flopped causes all mobs to path back to their spawn points simultaneously, and this is 100% false on the blue server. I've always know that this is not the case, and to be sure I confirmed it with my monk moments ago.

Can you clarify why you think it's a bad idea to sneak while flopped before all the mobs have begun to return to their spawn points? I did what you said and saw the same behavior that I've seen on the thousands of sneak pulls I've done.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really not sure what effect you are claiming that sneaking while flopped has on a monk attempting to split with sneak pull. The best I can tell is that you are claiming that sneaking while flopped causes all mobs to path back to their spawn points simultaneously, and this is 100% false on the blue server. I've always know that this is not the case, and to be sure I confirmed it with my monk moments ago.

Can you clarify why you think it's a bad idea to sneak while flopped before all the mobs have begun to return to their spawn points? I did what you said and saw the same behavior that I've seen on the thousands of sneak pulls I've done.

Hmmm, you certainly understand what I am saying. All I can suggest is that you keep at it. Now that you know what you are looking for, you are bound to notice it eventually. There is of course also the possibility that the mechanic somehow differs from red to blue, but that seems unlikely. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. I'd toy with it a bit.

How about you respond to OP's question though ^^? you sound like you have a few monk hours under your belt and could provide some solid advice. The Info on the sneak pull range was handy (used that tonight ^^).