Spells: Cinda's Charismatic Carillon

[xblade724]

Originally Posted by worch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At level 60 it will. You'll notice the song scales up as you level. At 60, the song increases my standing from max kill-on-sight up to threateningly and even up to apprehensive if the racial faction mod is in my favor.

Just because it's already good doesn't mean to abandon a bug. There's a lot of classes that get some really cheap spells and you can't discard bards every time they get something nice at lvl 60.

Of course it helps -- it was pretty much the only benefit of getting a better horn in this game. NOTHING else really does anything with horn except this one.

[worch]

Originally Posted by xblade724 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because it's already good doesn't mean to abandon a bug.

Agreed. It should be fixed given the presented evidence. My point is it already significantly raises faction standing, and if the fix simply adds the instrument mod on top of the current song's effectiveness, it would be too powerful. You could increase faction standing from max scowling up to warmly. That'd not be in line with EQSongs:

The size of each faction rank seems to be different so the song may raise you anywhere from 0 to 2 ranks. Using a wind instrument seems to enhance the effect slightly. Using a magic flute will add more faction then a store bought flute.

[xblade724]

Originally Posted by worch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. It should be fixed given the presented evidence. My point is it already significantly raises faction standing, and if the fix simply adds the instrument mod on top of the current song's effectiveness, it would be too powerful. You could increase faction standing from max scowling up to warmly. That'd not be in line with EQSongs:

So the evidence is there - but what you are saying, you are deciding if it follows the instrument mod, or a different value? From your quote link alone, it shows that a better instrument means better faction, so it's not a fixed #, much like instruments can have different values.

It certainly won't go from max scowl to warmly ... even in it's current state, my bard goes from threateningly to.... threateningly, in Skyshrine. Even I had a magic drum, about 2.2x more, that would only make it 1 more faction higher, which sounds very appropriate.

[Aalderon Crystafire]

Originally Posted by worch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

, it would be too powerful. You could increase faction standing from max scowling up to warmly. That'd not be in line with EQSongs:

Not even close to accurate.

Assuming a 20 Wind Modifier it would boost 1220 faction at level 60. This would, prior to any class/religion/race modifiers take you from...

Max Scowling (-2000) to Threateningly (-780)

Max Threateningly (-1049) to Amiable (171)

Lowest end of Dubious (-699) to Kindly (521)

Lowest end of Indifferent (-50) to Ally (1170)

With the best instrument modifier (24 Wind from Fear) you could get from Max Scowling to -536 Dubious. Factor in racial or class modifiers that can easily give you several hundred negative points on top of whatever your current faction is and there are still factions that you can never become non-KOS to even with the best instrument.

Evidence has been provided showing that it is to be modified by instrument. It seems it was working properly here but changed due to a bug report

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...94&postcount=1

I know this was recently "fixed", but I think it was fixed a little too much [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used this song on a mob that was dubious, and without a wind instrument it went to apprehensive. Then I tried with a wind instrument and it went all the way up to kindly. I doubt this is working as intended.

edit: it's also lasting forever, not sure if that's intended.
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