Loughner declined from the army, but passed a background check to buy a gun?

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To the people that own and carry guns around all over the place for protection.

If somebody pulled a gun on you (you do not yet know the reason why), Do you grab for your gun right away and hope that you can:

1. unholster it,
2. cock it and
3. shoot it

before they have time to pull the trigger?

You left out the scenario that directly relates to this story: a maniac shooting at a crowd. He isn't necessarily aware of every person within shooting range, and anyone with a gun can potentially stop him faster than someone without.

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You left out the scenario that directly relates to this story: a maniac shooting at a crowd. He isn't necessarily aware of every person within shooting range, and anyone with a gun can potentially stop him faster than someone without.

Lol, so now we have a group of people with guns thinking they are saving the world shooting at one amn in a crowd. Ya, that wont casue more problems....

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Stibe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, so now we have a group of people with guns thinking they are saving the world shooting at one amn in a crowd. Ya, that wont casue more problems....

Yeah. You're right Stibe. Guns are useless and everyone that owns one is Jared Loughner. Might as well just lay down and die if a crazy person starts popping with his first 33 rounds before reloading another 32. You got me dude.

[Kassel]

You left out the scenario that directly relates to this story: a maniac shooting at a crowd. He isn't necessarily aware of every person within shooting range, and anyone with a gun can potentially stop him faster than someone without

Life is not a Movie and your not james bond.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Life is not a Movie and your not james bond.

And "your" not grammatically correct, as usual. My closest friend can drop three moving targets in one second from holster to third target. He's 60 and has an arsenal. He's never shot anyone but if he had to, you can be sure they'd get the worst of it. I'm not nearly as good a shot, but I'll take my chances with a gun over ducking for cover in a parking lot.

Also, if guns are so useless, I suppose you suggest police and military also not be allowed to carry them? Or are government workers our best hope for protection?

[Hoggen]

Oh, and guinea? You don't have to cock modern semi-automatic pistols. The Glock that uncle Fester used doesn't even have a safety.

[purist]

So, why aren't any of these people you brag about how they carry around a gun in the case of a Jared Loughner and can drop 3 moving targets in 0.001 seconds ever carrying a gun when the actual Jared Loughner is mowing down civilian after screaming civilian?

[Kassel]

Also, if guns are so useless, I suppose you suggest police and military also not be allowed to carry them? Or are government workers our best hope for protection?

Right, because that's exactly what i have been preaching this whole thread. I think we should melt all guns down into a pile of iron then pray to our new iron pile god. But of course some asshole would then hold the world hostage with a board with a nail in it.

No one at any point said guns are useless. In fact many ahve been very clear on the one use they do have. If you are going to partake in this discussion can at least try and be rational and use common sense. This is not a radio show and your not Sarah Palin.

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/sigh

[boboo]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And "your" not grammatically correct, as usual. My closest friend can drop three moving targets in one second from holster to third target. He's 60 and has an arsenal. He's never shot anyone but if he had to, you can be sure they'd get the worst of it. I'm not nearly as good a shot, but I'll take my chances with a gun over ducking for cover in a parking lot.

Also, if guns are so useless, I suppose you suggest police and military also not be allowed to carry them? Or are government workers our best hope for protection?

You know who else was fuming about people's grammar? Jared Lee Loughner, just a thought.

We had a guy like Loughner 2 years ago i think in Montreal, he only killed one person because cops disobeyed orders to wait for the swat teams and took him out. Im what most americans would consider a "communist" and I was proud of that cop because he saved lives.

You see, thats a cop's job, not opening up people's head with his baton at protests, not dressing as a protester and pretend hes about to throw a rock at cops to give them an excuse to beat people up. Not harassing latino people because they are latino.

If cops would stick to violent crimes, then im sure america would be a much safer place. Thats why i liked amsterdam so much, the crime rate is very low because cops focus on violent crimes. They dont care if you smoke a joint, if youre drunk in the streets, or even if you smoke crack as long as you keep to yourself and dont cause trouble. I expected Amsterdam to be really bad, sorta like a smaller New York City with junkies trying to rob me with rusted scissors and instead i found a city that felt like a big farm with most of the people being jolly and friendly toward strangers. The only assholes i saw was the tourists in the red light who seemed to treat prostitutes like cattle.

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. You're right Stibe. Guns are useless and everyone that owns one is Jared Loughner. Might as well just lay down and die if a crazy person starts popping with his first 33 rounds before reloading another 32. You got me dude.

So one guy starts shooting, now you have say 4 more people shooting at him, all in a crowd. Police hear nothing but gunshots and see people with weapons. What do you think is going to happen?