8th Ring // Cloki

[Swish]

If he hasn't got to compete with Rampage/Forsaken, you know he'll choose not to.

[bktroost]

Go listen to 40-46 minutes into Sirken's last Europa stream. There at least one staff member that is not opposed to reinstating a rotation with VP in it.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard that this thread had moved on to more relevant topics than OPs attempt at slandering and avoiding ban hammer.

So by this, does that mean that if Rogean ever deemed that certain mobs/zones were acceptable to be in a c/r/ffa rotation again that BDA would be willing/interested in going back to a rotation in R or stay in C.


This is not a question with any relevance to the current raid scene. I'm just curious if you think that with the VP and high value velious targets you guys have gotten recently that you would be strong enough to compete and do well if there was a class C again.

The end goal for every guild is the same right? Everyone wants to hit NToV dragons, First Brood Dragons, Tormax/Statue/AoW, Tunare, and Sleepers. That's the relevant Velious content for a top tier raider.

Currently only Rampage is getting that content on a regular basis. Forsaken has a few NToV kills from the first couple weeks but they've been mostly quiet since and it looks like they're going to try and reboot through dragon faction (they've been in HoT a few times) No one close to Rampage when you look at numbers, mobilization, and strategy. In a race they're going to win 95% of the time currently. Now that content is doable by a large portion of the guilds on this server assuming great turnout and perfect conditions, but at 5am Monday morning will you have 6 clerics and 3 warriors with a strong DPS turnout for Tormax? Rampage sure as fuck will.

That sounds an awful lot like Kunark doesn't it? We can "kill" the content but need the right opportunity. The season changed, but things really haven't changed. The requirement to even attempt the top tier content is going to be even higher than Kunark because you'll need more people to get the job done.

So to answer your question, I don't know yet. I know BDA has a plan and right now we're still in the early stages of Velious, we definitely need to get stronger if we want to go head to head with Rampage. So we haven't jumped to NToV targets aside from picking off the occasional Ikiatar or Eashen, and the city leaders have been spawning at times when BDA won't have the firepower to contest them. Also, it would depend on what mobs would be walled off to class C. Would it just be Sleepers? Because if so ya we'd still be class R just like any guild not named Rampage.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard that this thread had moved on to more relevant topics than OPs attempt at slandering and avoiding ban hammer.

So by this, does that mean that if Rogean ever deemed that certain mobs/zones were acceptable to be in a c/r/ffa rotation again that BDA would be willing/interested in going back to a rotation in R or stay in C.


This is not a question with any relevance to the current raid scene. I'm just curious if you think that with the VP and high value velious targets you guys have gotten recently that you would be strong enough to compete and do well if there was a class C again.

There's little reason for Rogean to re-enact tiered raiding with the amount of targets available.

The only thing Rampage goes for outside of Velious is Phara Dar, because they are already have their hands full with NToV and Sleepers Key mobs.

Everyone else has fallen into their own niche's based on their faction of choice and current gear progression. Some of the other big guilds have given up on some old world/Kunark content and don't actively track or seek them out (Talendor/Sev/Naggy/Vox/Maestro/Gore/etc).

There's always mobs to kill or activities to do. No one should get that worked up over losing a single raid target now that there are 50+ a week (not including 21 Vindicators and however many Lodizals).

[bktroost]

I think that goes to a higher question then because any time that there is one guild dominating content then we end up in that same situation that we were in with TMO dominating content.

I think the major difference is that Velious content is not race content like Kunark is right? I really am just speculating, but can a guild kill all the dragons in NToV before you get Zlandicar and some other first brood? If so, doesn't that leave Tormax and Dain and Idol available? All of those are things that most people can't handle and would be available to Forsaken, Rampage, Taken and BDA.

[bktroost]

I'm putting this in terms of an earthquake situation of course.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the major difference is that Velious content is not race content like Kunark is right? I really am just speculating, but can a guild kill all the dragons in NToV before you get Zlandicar and some other first brood? If so, doesn't that leave Tormax and Dain and Idol available? All of those are things that most people can't handle and would be available to Forsaken, Rampage, Taken and BDA.

No they can't, it would take hours.

But during an Earthquake/server restart Rampage wouldn't even go for NToV first. First Brood dragons are first priority - Taken/BDA/Forsaken/more casual guilds would have tons of time to kill content, even get a bunch of tries at stuff in NToV, Tormax, Dain, etc.

But we haven't had an Earthquake in Velious yet, and the one patch we had didn't repop most Velious targets just old world/Kunark.

So yeah more Earthquakes.

[bktroost]

Definitely need more Earthquakes to really see how that shakes out, but we are headed for one with this next patch, I'm sure. We are really close to needing a full restart. Every 42 days or so the game bugs out and it's getting to that here in the next few days.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If he hasn't got to compete with Rampage/Forsaken, you know he'll choose not to.

Let's get one thing straight, no one is competing with Rampage right now. They physically broke Forsaken over their knee after the first few weeks of Velious. I mean BDA beat Forsaken to a Nexona kill in VP the other day. It's the end of days!

Rampage is rolling sometimes 70 deep at American prime time when they're going after big ticket dragons in NToV. Taken and BDA roll with probably something like 30-50 depending on the raid and how long you give us to mobilize. You're only getting 24-30 BDA on a batphone, barely 24 if it's a weird time of the day for us. Forsaken probably runs close to that range too, but they're better geared from being in VP for years prior.

Asgard runs with less than those 3, but are super sharp at Kunark targets when given enough prep time. Their Trak kill last Friday was ballsy and successful. After that you see HK in HoT with maybe 30 max but that's the only thing I've seen them do.

Divinity only comes out for WToV trash and WToV dragons based on my experience with them, but they get between 30 and 40 when they prep ahead of time.

I have no idea what Gimpatron is doing. I haven't seen them at any of our Velious, Kunark/old world, or VP targets. I'm sure they still run pretty deep when you have three guilds.

So, back to the point, no BDA isn't ready to compete with Rampage. Our current competition is Rampage on a few VP targets when they care, Taken sometimes, Asgard sometimes, and Forsaken when they get their shit back together and start contesting targets again.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm putting this in terms of an earthquake situation of course.

These don't exist in Velious apparently.

We have yet to have a sim repop. We had 1 server reset and it occurred at like 6AM.

The problem with server resets right now is they put Velious mobs as 0-24 hour window up-times. Meaning they aren't immediately spawned on server up like Kunark mobs are. Also with the 16-hour variance that plagues almost every raid mob on the server, these spawn times are spread out hugely, allowing a guild with a deep roster and around the clock mobilization + good pullers the ability to contest every single mob.

Less variance, more sim repops would make for a more classic raid environment.