VA live reporter shooting

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even in a state like yours...

A good lawyer and some money can change the result of the case.

I was on a jury where a poor guy with average at best representation was on trial for merely defending himself by using a threat of deadly force. Just a threat, no shots ever fired.

We let him go on all but one very obvious and fairly minor charge.

Why? Well even though NJ has strict laws about using a threat of deadly force in self defense, we the jury said "fuck that we aren't putting this guy in jail for defending himself. He never even fired a shot." It was unanimous.

Prosecutor was pissed as hell, defense was ecstatic and the poor guy would not stop thanking us.

Felt good.

Sometimes you can't take the law literally as it's written, like the prosecutor wanted us to.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on a jury where a poor guy with average at best representation was on trial for merely defending himself by using a threat of deadly force. Just a threat, no shots ever fired.

We let him go on all but one very obvious and fairly minor charge.

Why? Well even though NJ has strict laws about using a threat of deadly force in self defense, we the jury said "fuck that we aren't putting this guy in jail for defending himself. He never even fired a shot." It was unanimous.

Prosecutor was pissed as hell, defense was ecstatic and the poor guy would not stop thanking us.

Felt good.

Sometimes you can't take the law literally as it's written, like the prosecutor wanted us to.

Pretty much. The instructors around here teach you that you should only draw your weapon if you intend to use it. You can not use it to deescalate a situation. In some states you can draw your gun to stop a crime, and hold them until police arrive. Perp gets arrested, cops thank you, everyone goes home happy. Around here, cops show up and arrest you for brandishing and assault with a deadly weapon.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. The instructors around here teach you that you should only draw your weapon if you intend to use it. You can not use it to deescalate a situation. In some states you can draw your gun to stop a crime, and hold them until police arrive. Perp gets arrested, cops thank you, everyone goes home happy. Around here, cops show up and arrest you for brandishing and assault with a deadly weapon.

My deadly weapon is my penis. Oddly enough, I can still get arrested for brandishing it in public.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on a jury where a poor guy with average at best representation was on trial for merely defending himself by using a threat of deadly force. Just a threat, no shots ever fired.

We let him go on all but one very obvious and fairly minor charge.

Why? Well even though NJ has strict laws about using a threat of deadly force in self defense, we the jury said "fuck that we aren't putting this guy in jail for defending himself. He never even fired a shot." It was unanimous.

Prosecutor was pissed as hell, defense was ecstatic and the poor guy would not stop thanking us.

Felt good.

Sometimes you can't take the law literally as it's written, like the prosecutor wanted us to.

http://youtu.be/Oi3Hyxuf5AE

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My deadly weapon is my penis. Oddly enough, I can still get arrested for brandishing it in public.

2" of death and destruction you're holding there! You should just keep it holstered.

Don't get me wrong, even a little weapon as such can kill and create babies.

[SlankyLanky]

damn...this guy was a regular at a bar i used to goto alot. pretty sure my partner has photos of us drinking together. he was a serious conspiracy nut.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. The instructors around here teach you that you should only draw your weapon if you intend to use it. You can not use it to deescalate a situation. In some states you can draw your gun to stop a crime, and hold them until police arrive. Perp gets arrested, cops thank you, everyone goes home happy. Around here, cops show up and arrest you for brandishing and assault with a deadly weapon.

In the case I was on the guy was approached in his car by someone holding a blunt instrument, after an altercation at an intersection that quickly escalated. He was afraid and pointed an unregistered gun at him which made him back off. He was an older guy, mild-mannered and uneducated. Nothing about him said "violent criminal".

Yeah he had an unregistered gun but none of us thought the guy should get a felony conviction and prison time for pointing it at a guy coming at him with a blunt weapon in his hand.

Now if he shot the guy we have a whole different situation.

[Snapple]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not if you're in a big city (London, Manchester, Birmingham)

"Recorded gun and knife enabled offences in London account for about 2% of total recorded crime"

U SRS?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Snapple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Recorded gun and knife enabled offences in London account for about 2% of total recorded crime"

U SRS?

Link for that?

You can dwarf any crime stat if you're including theft, rape, fraud, etc etc. The police love to cover their issues with statistics.

There's a big demand for things like converted replica weapons in the cities.

[Caladbolg]

Originally Posted by Ranndom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Supposed shooter is a light skinned black man, shooter in video is clearly white.
Bodies are still warm, and suddenly every politician has an empty schedule and has speeches prepared to spread the gun control agenda.
Another event just going to be used to twist and divide the American people into hating each other instead of the government.
Just an fyi, gun control doesn't work. And when it does work, You're on your way to Treblinka or Belzec. Or perhaps you'll be lucky and sent to Auschwitz II.

Aside from the "definitely white shooter" thing, you're right. He was black but light skinned in the video I saw from the news, and also from his 1st person camera that he was apparently streaming.

Side by side video <--- NSFW due to graphic nature.


From his perspective (video on the right) you can see that the reporter looks over at him while he has the gun pointed at her and doesn't respond. The woman being interviewed would have seen him pointing a gun in her peripheral. He doesn't begin firing until the news cameraman pans over to her, and when he does shoot, he's aiming slightly to the left (this is done even with blanks at that range to avoid bits of potential shrapnel). The camerawoman's reaction seems rehearsed and insincere, and she didn't even stumble as she fled despite being shot several times in the chest? I can't be certain, and I doubt anyone ever will be given the way the US government operates, but I believe there's a good reason so many people are questioning the validity of this incident.


In addition, the white house was already prepared with an anti-gun speech, and Operation Jade Helm 15 (which seems to be a martial law deployment test run) is just about to wrap up on the 15th of next month.


I think the government is beginning to get sloppy.