Dear "wipe it clean" nerds

[Ragnaros]

Originally Posted by Malevz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea of a second pvp server that merges with the first after X amount of time would be good. Wiping a server alienates your core players, in the hopes of new people, and old players who are too sick too quit.

yaw developing staff doesn't care about the pvp servers though its pretty clear

[Gnomegrown2]

most of you guys post like he is going to read your responses

[Samsung]

Unban accounts Derubael banned since he's been confirmed dirty by the higher ups. Derubael with all the good things he's done has also hurt this community. He's literally banned me the second time for giving away items to players. You will hear less of these wipe it clean issues if players that got screwed by Derubael gets there hard earned items/ accounts back.

[Quiet]

I dont see how anyone can believe red isnt currently a teams server.
You have team 1. ( Empire. ) Easily identified. The "evils" of sullon zek. Majority of players, raid mobs and neck beards.
You have Azrael / Good guys / whatever they call themselves. The neutrals. Also easily identified. They run around trying to cause a muck but are unable to go toe to toe.
The goods = everyone else.

Does anyone seriously think wiping a whole server would change that? Hardcode the teams to race, everyone will be that race who is winning. Hardcode it to diety, same. Hardcode it to whatever u want. People are going to overload one side, no way around it.

The failure was all the self absorbed idiots who didn't think of this plan first. Empire / Holo started with a core of 15-20 (just like azrael) and instead of being selfish loot-whore fucks they invited everyone (was Azrael's invite commands broken?) Why didn't any other guild just invite everyone, anyone. Instead they tried to stick to Elitist, their core of fucks were morons and they were never able to create the same environment. Now every guild they touch turns to dust.

I don't feel a single moment of sympathy for whiners. You guys are ruining the server, not Empire. TMO with this brilliant idea of sure day 1 we will get Velious pixels. Lol. I remember on TZ if PDM was in a zone raiding, you didn't go there, you had to wait until they left, then maybe u sneak in get a few kills. Once again people and their sense of entitlement to items and fairness. You show me any solution regarding wiping, coding, blah blah and i'll show you at least 1 - 5 easy ways around it.

Debate over.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious has only been out a week you need to wait and see if a second guild will form up and take Kunark or will it just be farmed by 18 <Friends> and boxes which is possible.

Nope not possible <Friends> would rather kill weak players instead of fighting Empire.

This server had a chance but again Lite, Vapo, Mirkuls, Salem, Jibeknn and probably a few more that I can't name couldn't play together TO unseat Empire. Now 20 people that could have been the core of GG's are now in Empire. And w/pixel packages aren't going back now.

Empire just keeps on recruiting!

And Sirken if you want to see any change the chance this box has is if you free Nizzar! So somehow magical powers can collide and they would have a chance!

Would be interesting!

[hammbone]

ITEM LOOT SERVER

[heartbrand]

The exact same thing will happen on every Red FFA server in EQ without massive custom rule implementations such as rotations, instances, tokens for raid mobs, etc.

People pretend EQ is some elite PvP game but the fact is the majority of your time in EQ is spent PvEing. The actual time spent PvPing makes up maybe 5% of Red99, or any sub 800 pop server. PvPing is annoying in EQ. There's no reward for it other than getting to boast about your victory, losing is incredibly painful typically, and it usually is a net loss for both people to engage in PvP. PvP is an annoyance in EQ. That's why it's not surprising that most people would rather team up and play together and avoid PvP interaction the majority of the time.

I don't think I'd ever reroll in the near future if it was wiped to play on another FFA PvP server in classic and kunark. To be honest I don't want to ever zone into Karnor's Castle / Sebilis or Dreadlands again for at least 5+ years.

Thanks.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The exact same thing will happen on every Red FFA server in EQ without massive custom rule implementations such as rotations, instances, tokens for raid mobs, etc.

People pretend EQ is some elite PvP game but the fact is the majority of your time in EQ is spent PvEing. The actual time spent PvPing makes up maybe 5% of Red99, or any sub 800 pop server. PvPing is annoying in EQ. There's no reward for it other than getting to boast about your victory, losing is incredibly painful typically, and it usually is a net loss for both people to engage in PvP. PvP is an annoyance in EQ. That's why it's not surprising that most people would rather team up and play together and avoid PvP interaction the majority of the time.

I don't think I'd ever reroll in the near future if it was wiped to play on another FFA PvP server in classic and kunark. To be honest I don't want to ever zone into Karnor's Castle / Sebilis or Dreadlands again for at least 5+ years.

Thanks.

I agree with all this. The net loss of and annoyance of pvp is exactly what makes it lacking in fun. Its why people plug to avoid CRs, plat loss, item loss if there was any. WoW and every game since have went pretty hard to remove the majority of the annoyance of pvp and therefore they had 10x the number of pvp servers and willing pvp players.

[lethdar]

Server resets are the only way to breath fresh air into a stagnant server. During the time that Red99 has been up there were how many, 5? iterations of guildwars / vztz servers. All except two had different top guilds after the wipe (and vztz2.0 likely would have as well if the server wasn't blown up right after kunark release).

The best times of the server is in the initial fray right after release. Poopboxers who blow at pvp but can show up like zombies to raids get smoked. Good players who enjoy pvp can take part in the bloodbath that is a fresh server start and people who have quit for years come back at the prospects on not having to farm venril sathir and trakanon 1000 times to compete.

It's basically the entire reason why eqemu pvp servers came out, the zeks ran their course and wound up with the one dominant guild and stagnation so people would roll on emu servers to experience new server fun.

No troll bros

[Snapple]

Don't wipe anything - just open up a new pvp server already. Aint no saving the old one.