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Old 12-29-2010, 07:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Odeseus;199175]Bottom line, if you want me to put forth the energy to read whatever drivel you type, at least attempt to put forth the energy to make it readable.{/quote]

sorry for the derail, btw.

i understand your position and i understand the importance of literacy. what i dont understand is why so many people have a fucking OCD tick about what others write as if they were the editor of the washington post. i mean, its pretty obvious you know EXACTLY what i'm saying.

i guess what i wrote earlier was about spoken language and we are talking about written.
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:18 PM
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You are quite correct that spoken language and the written word are different. For speech, you will naturally say the words in the easiest possible fashion, or however you think is cool or just what you are used to hearing. Those are just dialects and no one *should* complain about it. Some do, but it is probably because they think it sounds "weird" or "dumb". But they would sound equally dumb or odd if they were to speak somewhere else.

For instance, I am from Illinois originally and we do have a dialect (the extreme version is the Superfans from SNL). I married a girl who grew up in Atlanta, GA. She speaks with a southern accent, although it has more or less disappeared since we moved to California. When I go see her family, some people I can understand. Her brother-in-law, I can't understand for the life of me. And it isn't his fault completely that I can't understand him. He's no dumber or lazier than I am, his dialect is just so different than what I'm used to that I have to really listen to him.

Other people have invented dialects. Think valley girl that dominated the 80's and 90s. Or strange ones pop up from time to time, like Cajun for instance. And new words are invented mostly by speech. Best examples are from ebonics or redneck slang.

However, very few people write in dialects (with the exception of "ya'll" and things like that). I really can't tell in game or in forums if someone is from the south or northeast, is British or Australian. Nor can I tell if they talk like a hill billy or a kid from the inner city, unless they purposefully type that way.

This is an old trick used often in writing. Most of the time to "color" a character in a novel. Like back in the 18th and 19th centuries, when black people "spoke" they were shitty at English. This was intentional. Roleplayers in video games do the same thing, most often speaking in very high-brow English if they are playing an elf, or dumbed down English if they are playing a troll. Or for an Erudite, they might throw some Ebonics around. But what they type is intentional.

So because most people have time to sit and type, I assume that mistakes are one of 3 things: intentional mistakes for whatever reason (always typing in ebonics for instance), simple ignorance or simple laziness. The first two are forgivable. If you simply don't know how to spell, it is okay, you're just dumb.

As for new words in text, they do occur. Normally when something new has been invented. "Computer" was a new word once, because the thing was invented and it needed a name. Same with Tyrannosaurus Rex. But that was too cumbersome to say, so it was shortened to "T-Rex".

I'm rambling my ass off, so I'll stop here. I think I made a point.......somewhere in that mass of text.......maybe.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:41 AM
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If you simply don't know how to spell, it is okay, you're just dumb.
As someone who cant spell, I resent that, mez r smart peoples.
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:42 PM
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You are quite correct that spoken language and the written word are different. For speech, you will naturally say the words in the easiest possible fashion, or however you think is cool or just what you are used to hearing. Those are just dialects and no one *should* complain about it. Some do, but it is probably because they think it sounds "weird" or "dumb". But they would sound equally dumb or odd if they were to speak somewhere else.

For instance, I am from Illinois originally and we do have a dialect (the extreme version is the Superfans from SNL). I married a girl who grew up in Atlanta, GA. She speaks with a southern accent, although it has more or less disappeared since we moved to California. When I go see her family, some people I can understand. Her brother-in-law, I can't understand for the life of me. And it isn't his fault completely that I can't understand him. He's no dumber or lazier than I am, his dialect is just so different than what I'm used to that I have to really listen to him.

Other people have invented dialects. Think valley girl that dominated the 80's and 90s. Or strange ones pop up from time to time, like Cajun for instance. And new words are invented mostly by speech. Best examples are from ebonics or redneck slang.

However, very few people write in dialects (with the exception of "ya'll" and things like that). I really can't tell in game or in forums if someone is from the south or northeast, is British or Australian. Nor can I tell if they talk like a hill billy or a kid from the inner city, unless they purposefully type that way.

This is an old trick used often in writing. Most of the time to "color" a character in a novel. Like back in the 18th and 19th centuries, when black people "spoke" they were shitty at English. This was intentional. Roleplayers in video games do the same thing, most often speaking in very high-brow English if they are playing an elf, or dumbed down English if they are playing a troll. Or for an Erudite, they might throw some Ebonics around. But what they type is intentional.

So because most people have time to sit and type, I assume that mistakes are one of 3 things: intentional mistakes for whatever reason (always typing in ebonics for instance), simple ignorance or simple laziness. The first two are forgivable. If you simply don't know how to spell, it is okay, you're just dumb.

As for new words in text, they do occur. Normally when something new has been invented. "Computer" was a new word once, because the thing was invented and it needed a name. Same with Tyrannosaurus Rex. But that was too cumbersome to say, so it was shortened to "T-Rex".

I'm rambling my ass off, so I'll stop here. I think I made a point.......somewhere in that mass of text.......maybe.
dId u Rly jus right n 8 paragraf essay critiquing sum1's grammar on the internet in a "Rants, Flames, and NSFW" forum.......?
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