Game Mechanics: Monk kick accuracy

[Aadill]

I'm not a level 50 monk, nor do I have access to one.

Azeth is also not a level 50 monk, nor does he have access to one (I think).

Beyond that, technically it has not been verified by a single level 50 monk. No one in here has said, "yeah it's wrong." Azeth and I are basing our info off of parsers. After looking back through EQ logs, it does indeed show that, for example, the only flying kick "MISS" as picked up by "XXX tries to kick YYY" was where the mob riposted, dodged, parried, blocked, or had a rune. This means that the parser does indeed work correctly and the info being reported is therefore valid. This also means that all other parses in my posts, using GAMParse, would also be valid. With that said, it would seem reasonable that the accuracy of flying kick should be around 60-70%, not 100% as it is now, all according to parsers and not first hand experience.

Whether or not that is enough information has nothing to do with my level, that's not how research works [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maegi]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a level 50 monk, nor do I have access to one.

Azeth is also not a level 50 monk, nor does he have access to one (I think).

Beyond that, technically it has not been verified by a single level 50 monk. No one in here has said, "yeah it's wrong." Azeth and I are basing our info off of parsers. After looking back through EQ logs, it does indeed show that, for example, the only flying kick "MISS" as picked up by "XXX tries to kick YYY" was where the mob riposted, dodged, parried, blocked, or had a rune. This means that the parser does indeed work correctly and the info being reported is therefore valid. This also means that all other parses in my posts, using GAMParse, would also be valid. With that said, it would seem reasonable that the accuracy of flying kick should be around 60-70%, not 100% as it is now, all according to parsers and not first hand experience.

Whether or not that is enough information has nothing to do with my level, that's not how research works [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep got names confused as I have read this whole fucking thread, my bad. But a level 50 monk DID verify this in THIS thread for fucks sake....

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a 50 monk, spent 20 mins in solb after I saw this bug, and I assure you I missed my kicks some. Not a lot, but some.Thats why I'm guessing the parser isn't reading misses correctly.

I even turned on full combat spam, and kicks weren't dodged,blocked or ripped. Just flat out missed. So who knows.

which he later recanted to agree with you guys parsing the logs as NOT missing unless blocked riposted or parried..

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take back everything I said. I noticed I was missing a chat filter to double check, and kicks won't miss, only on blocks,parries and rips. So I'm landing kicks unless NPC's roll those 3 misses.

So wtg outing monks! I hate you!

[Aadill]

My mistake! I don't remember well!

So it was verified. Oops xD

[Timzilla]

Originally Posted by maegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Parses don't lie and Rais verified it's 100% and he's 50. No skill in this game should be 100% accuracy. That's not a nerf if it's changed to be like every other skill in this game, classic or not, no skill in classic or after classic is 100% and never should be. Nerfing is taking away something that wasn't broken. This my friends is totally broken.

Ya'll seem to be ignoring a key element. That is that the 100 percent accurate special attacks hits for minimum damage quite often. That's 1 pt at lower levels and apparently 40 pts at high level. It's always been enough for me that me and my group killed the mob, so I don't have any of my own parses. I least of all never cared what anyone else was dpsing at. So I don't know how often I hit for 1 pt; I'd guess about 40 percent. I have no idea how often a backstab or other class special attack hits for 1 pt? Never maybe?

[Aadill]

Yes, min damage should be 1. I remember seeing reference to that in searching for parse data. If I remember correctly, min damage was changed to 40 in Kunark.

[MrSquirrelbane]

Min dmg is definately 40. Which is what it should be @ lvl 51. Before 51 FK min dmg should be 1. (Source: http://www.monkly-business.net/index...geid=abilities)


Here's what I was talking about w/ damage tables being different in some zones btw. This graph is a combined of a 25 mb log file. Every fight that did not take place in Fear or Sky. In these fights my str ranged from 205-230 or so.
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Same log file, str ranged from 205-255, Plane of Fear and Plane of Sky mobs only.
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Now besides the obvious hitting for min dmg a lot more, which should happen on higher level higher ac mobs, my FK MAX dmg is lower. The fun part is I had more str in Sky since I had a bard with me for about 3/4 the fights in that log. That's what leads me to believe damage tables in Sky and Fear are different than everywhere else.

Here's confirmation from the actual logs of an actual level 50 monk who was actually fighting things, and likely actually wearing nipple straps because they're awesome.
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I also imported that log file into excel and filtered out everything but misses. I was unable to find a single instance of "You try to kick soandso, but miss!" in that 25mb log file.

[Icecometus]

Thank you Splinko for your cooperation with this investigation. Such honor is rare.

[azeth]

bump, any dev thoughts/pending actions?

[Rais]

They are prolly looking at Enchanter rune/zerker str line, healing the enchanters. I think thats a little more op than monk flying kick atm!

[Timzilla]

There's also no evidence that FK missed in classic.