How important is hide/sneak on a cleric truly?

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[fastboy21]

EQ rule of thumb: Abilities > stats.

Items and spells (and in this case races) that give you abilities you wouldn't otherwise have are almost always far superior to a stat increase.

Obviously, there are some dud abilities out there. Hide/Sneak def isn't one of them.

[captnamazing]

Sneak is invaluable. Bank anywhere, merchant anywhere, sneak tag option (skpping stones), and with some skill you can get past any see invis mob that presents an opportunity.

That being said, HFL is not for everyone. But having racial sneak is OP.

[DeadlyReza]

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[Samoht]

Remember: Halfling clerics and warriors are going to be able to make Thurg pots even while KoS to ice dorfs.

Mark that down as a YESPLEASE come Velious.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember: Halfling clerics and warriors are going to be able to make Thurg pots even while KoS to ice dorfs.

Mark that down as a YESPLEASE come Velious.

Other than mobilizing for Dain, what purpose does a player have a Thurg pot for if they are KoS there? A WC Cap and Wizard/Druid port from WC to GD for Velks or WL/CS for any other raid target is going to be faster.

I suppose more get out of jail free clickies would be nice but meh.

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by Hrothgaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...I am more of looking for an answer if the hide/sneak thing is any important for the GROUP while adventuring...

Well if it's any consolation, I don't think groups take me in for my hide skill. That said, when I am not playing my cleric, I am more concerned if they know how to heal, not if they can sneak/hide.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other than mobilizing for Dain, what purpose does a player have a Thurg pot for if they are KoS there? A WC Cap and Wizard/Druid port from WC to GD for Velks or WL/CS for any other raid target is going to be faster.

I think you pretty much answered your own question here since faster is subjective and depends heavily on zone time and availability of porters. Thurg is central for anything iceclad, ew, kael, gd, velks, and thurgb without requiring someone else to port you around. WL/SS too if you're really desperate and cannot find a port.

Plus you can recharge your vial on your own while recharging WC cap requires a merchant with empty space and someone else with a charged cap.

Flexibility of your mobility is going to be more important than ever in Velious. Soulbind in PoM, WC cap, OT hammer, lizard blood potions, swamp gate pots, everfrost gate pots, etc.

Why do you hate Thurg gate pots?

[Daldaen]

Well you can't "recharge" the vial, you have to make a new one. Which involves having on hand, Crystalline Silk, Pieces of Velium and Small Brick of Velium (nonstackable). Somewhat common pieces but the nonstackability of the bricks is annoying for having many charges on hand.

But I was mostly looking at it from the perspective of a high end 60, cleric used almost exclusively for raids. I don't see them ever needing one.

If Dain is due, I can see the value. If Velketor is due, he will get a port to GD after WC capping. If any other raid mob is due he will get a port to WL or CS.

If I'm KoS in the city, it yields almost no benefit to be there and the adjacent zones are low level zones, plus Velks. As I am 60 I don't intend to step foot in Velketor beyond slaying Velk himself.

I don't hate Thurg pots. I hate the attempt to justify halfling as a useful race. They are the most useless of all races, just next to gnomes.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you hate Thurg gate pots?

I get the impression that it's just halflings and other EQ midgets he's hating on. And really, it's hard to blame a guy for that. I mean, Filbus & Nibblewitz are pretty cool, and Greengrocer is entertaining in all of his many guises, beyond them and a small few others? meh