Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?

No, being awful is rolling on an item that you do not need, when someone obviously does need it.

Kinda like a rich millionaire strolling down a road along side a poor, almost naked homeless person. A truck rolls by and off the back of it, a nice pair of sneakers falls to the ground. The poor homeless person immediately reaches for the sneakers, as he has no footwear. The millionaire however, protests, stating that those sneakers fit him as well and should have equal claim on them.

Is the millionaire right to have equal claim on them? Yes, yes he is.
Is he a big douche bag for even suggesting he take the sneakers from a poor person that needs footwear? Yes, yes he is.

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?

Yeah, in THIS thread. Glance at any of the others on the same or similar topics, and you'll see. This particular topic gets brought up a lot.

You are really hung up on this idea of "need before greed" thing. You're trying to argue semantics now. You know there were other points the guy made on the list right?

Being awful doesn't mean trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance, being awful is when you cross the line from "deserving or earned/worked for it" and into the "needlessly miserly and greedy."

If you can't see where that line is, I'm not sure what to tell you.

[Slayde]

To start I only read about half the thread, so apologies if it's been said already.
The problem isn't with the game, the problem lies in the mentality of the people who play it. At some point in the past 20 years, the majority of the 1st world countries were reprogrammed to think only of themselves. That the betterment of themselves was the most important, as in the long run it would better humanity. This however is false. We are at our place in history at the moment due to the previous generations working together for a common goal. We as a species now mostly lack this ability. The definition of greed is thus: "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions." Key word, Excessive. I know this will blow right over the tops of some heads, but the key to the betterment of humanity (and subsequently the state of the server) is to let go of the excess. There is no alpha, there is no omega, there is only now. Money doesn't matter, Pixels don't matter. All that matters is the longevity of our species. Which we have sorely misguided.

tl;dr
Assholes are the rule now, not the exception, and we will all burn for it in the end. (non-religiously)

[Thulghor]

This game and the systems behind it allows a person to be greedy and awful. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If you don't know where those boundaries lie, it's time to reevaluate your moral compass.

Thankfully, a lot of people here are pretty awesome.

[kaev]

Slayde, I dunno what imaginary world you're dreaming existed 20 years ago, but as someone who grew up in the '60s & '70s I can assure you that it didn't exist 20 years ago when I was in my 30s, nor did it exist 40 years ago when I was a teenager, nor has it existed ever as far as I can determine.

[Rararboker]

"At some point"

Huh? That thought process is as natural as pooping or eating or having sex. It is what helps humans ensure they live on to pass on their own genetics.

[Thulghor]

You're forgetting the tribal mentality, which despite its setbacks, has helped form civilization today. Otherwise, we'd probably still be in caves.

Now the nature of the game is to divide and conquer all the subgroups of people for the benefit of a small elite, in any way possible. But that's a whole different topic entirely.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, being awful is rolling on an item that you do not need, when someone obviously does need it.

Kinda like a rich millionaire strolling down a road along side a poor, almost naked homeless person. A truck rolls by and off the back of it, a nice pair of sneakers falls to the ground. The poor homeless person immediately reaches for the sneakers, as he has no footwear. The millionaire however, protests, stating that those sneakers fit him as well and should have equal claim on them.

Is the millionaire right to have equal claim on them? Yes, yes he is.
Is he a big douche bag for even suggesting he take the sneakers from a poor person that needs footwear? Yes, yes he is.

False analogy

[Rararboker]

I'm not forgetting anything. Being part of a group definitely helps but that doesn't discount that people always want their own genetics to pass on. Nor does it mean they don't want the group to do good things for themselves.

[Bilbik]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the argument that a 500k-gear-twinked person should yield a dropped item worth 1k to an ungeared player is dumb, assuming they put forth the same amount of effort to get that item to drop. in fact, the twinked person likely had a much bigger impact on getting that item to drop than the untwinked player, but the /ran 100 is based on the assumption that everyone in a group is putting forth the same level of effort.

Is this a troll post?