Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[dafier]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never once saw need before greed in classic live

I saw it, but in random groups unless you spoke to the group about your need for a spell (not an item) then most the time the group was pretty cool about it.

Example of when I saw it more often:

Guild group, just after Velious was released. Spells dropped that someone in the group didn't have yet. If they needed it, they got it without question. If they already had it, we did a simple roll, and whoever won, sold it. If there was an item (mostly having to do with resist that was droppable) and it was a really nice upgrade for a guildy, then most the time we'd give it to them.

As for an item in a random group, no, NBG was NEVER in effect on live. Unless someone or the whole group 'passed' out of sympathy, but that is still not NBG

[Champion_Standing]

nbg definitely bs, who cares if I'm wearing a cof and a fungi, I'm rolling on that savants cap!


But seriously if you are on your 9th twink alt and you are demanding to roll on cheap junk against a newbie in rags you are probably scum.

[tarkhis]

Originally Posted by Deadmantis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zenren, I feel your pain, really I do. But I think you just need to give up this fight and accept the fact that this server is what it is, and it's not going to change.

Decent players don't need rules to abide by. You're preaching to the choir. These people group with anyone regardless of class or gear. They call out their trains. They buff or bind without blinking an eye. We like to think they make up the majority. These are the people you need to gravitate to and spend most of your time with.

The asshats who shit on other players just because they can, with very little consequences? They don't and they won't play by the rules. They bounce from guild to guild, laugh at the forums, take bans in stride, and blame whatever shit they're trying to pull on Aspergers or the server being stuck in Kunark for too long. Avoid them as much as possible.

I think you hit the nail on the head. my experience was on Povar way back pre-kunark through PoP. I always saw NBG being used and if someone did try to scam other players(the asshats) they were called out on the forums and in guildchats and often found themselves perma LFG from that point on, your reputation on the server could make or break you so scamming for 1 stupid item, disrupting other peoples camps etc. could mean you were done and it was time to make a new toon or transfer. We had whole guilds get shunned by the combined group of all other guilds when they went after bosses out of rotation.

In P99 so far, my experience As so eloquently stated above, is I tend to follow Zenren's rules because I'm not an asshat and like grouping and being part of a community rather than racing to get the best gear etc. This server is not going past Luclin, we will all get there eventually so why go nuts and powerlevel like mad only to be stuck in a worse situation at endgame.

I don't care if someone else wants to powerlevel, twink, only group with uber people etc. That is their playstyle and right to play the game as they want.I will ask them if I can cut in or take part of the camp that they are doing and if they say no, get lost whatever, I move on.

So far I have never encountered that attitude in P99, I was in befallen as one of 3 people in zone a 60 Wizard, 13 twinked cleric being powereleveled and my 17 enchanter. I went down to 3rd floor and found everything being wholesale butchered. I asked if I could have some mobs and the wizard told me take the ones on the left side area. They even saved my butt when charm or mezz broke, offered me some drops they didn't need.

If they had told me to get lost I would of headed to another zone as they were there first and controlled the camp, I'm not into rule lawyering or petitioning non-stop. Here as in live I see common courtesy all the time and very rarely an asshat.

I've been in MM for about 12 levels now and that is an overcamped, crazy popular zone and I have seen nothing but courtesy there, everygroup I have been in never even set loot rules at the start we just kept killing mobs and people have shared gargoyle eyes, done NBG just as a matter of course. I have been with twinked, newbies, people from raiding guilds and unguilded people and everyone has been great.

I think the OP is letting a bad incident ruin his whole time in game and should drop it as the power gamers are going to tear him apart on the forums, and the ones who agree with his rules on courtesy are already practicing it anyway.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nbg definitely bs, who cares if I'm wearing a cof and a fungi, I'm rolling on that savants cap!


But seriously if you are on your 9th twink alt and you are demanding to roll on cheap junk against a newbie in rags you are probably scum.

It happens..

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

need before greed guys.... need before greed...

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[Wabic]

I'll pile on the NBG argument. I don't see why someone with less gear, who has put less effort into this game, should be entitled to loot over someone with more gear, who has put more effort into this game.

Also, everyone needs plat. The fact that someone has to take the extra step to sell an item rather than equip it to get value out of it doesn't mean they need it less. Roll the droppable items.

[slappytwotoes]

Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well don't camp then, crawl as intended.

Rofl do you even play here? Good luck crawling Lguk, CoM, Seb, etc at primetime. Or maybe just another lvl 20 with opinions

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It happens..

what's your definition of need? from the screenshot, it looks like the guy could use a resist neck piece.

you're also not providing any context aside from a guy in mediocre bard gear requesting a solid resist piece. what does the rest of the group have? what is the rest of his gear like? did anyone else in the group "need" it?

it kind of sounds like you're just being a judgmental asshole who's humiliating this person for no good reason, but i know the loveable swish would never stoop that low

[tarkhis]

Originally Posted by Wabic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll pile on the NBG argument. I don't see why someone with less gear, who has put less effort into this game, should be entitled to loot over someone with more gear, who has put more effort into this game.

Also, everyone needs plat. The fact that someone has to take the extra step to sell an item rather than equip it to get value out of it doesn't mean they need it less. Roll the droppable items.

I don't see where more gear equals more effort, I was grouped with a twinked rogue, epic and all who started a few weeks ago. He made the character and his friends geared him out completely he hadn't put any effort in. Some people also could suffer from the RNG curse and lose every roll. To me it was the post classic EQ WoW mindset that equated gear with skill or effort. I have seen in the past and still see in P99 people in crud gear that I know can play their class well and thrive as part of a group and will always look for them on-line to team up.

I do agree that there is no cause to force NBG on people though. I am not twinked by a long shot this being my first toon and not having friends that talked me into coming over but I have saved plat, sold bearskins etc and bought some great Cha jewelry, I did the stein of mogguk quest and managed to buy a crude stein in Ogguk off a vendor. I was handed an advisor robe by player donation. I will always defer to NBG as my personal play style and pass on loot others need even though I could use money bad. But again, there should be no "rule" to force either NBG or all greed rolls. Just play the game and have fun!

[slappytwotoes]

NBG completely falls apart at higher levels. Imagine a Crypt camp with NBG... Shaman gets the JBB, Torpor and, arguably, the Hiero Cloak (stays BIS thru Velious).

Why does any other class even want to join? All good loot is taken. A rogue is required for that camp to open doors yet NO rogue loot even drops! Everquest wasn't designed for NBG nor is it a morally superior loot system... its just what people did 15 years ago who didn't know any better.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what's your definition of need? from the screenshot, it looks like the guy could use a resist neck piece.

you're also not providing any context aside from a guy in mediocre bard gear requesting a solid resist piece. what does the rest of the group have? what is the rest of his gear like? did anyone else in the group "need" it?

it kind of sounds like you're just being a judgmental asshole who's humiliating this person for no good reason, but i know the loveable swish would never stoop that low

Can afford css but not 50pp neck sounds legit