Hey Forsaken

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTF? You are dipping, dodging, and diving so much you can't even keep your argument coherent anymore.

Class doesn't have lockouts per se other than individual mob suspensions. Since you used lockouts in your statement about a class C guild I figured you were intending something along that line... since it would be inherently stupid to worry about lockouts on a class that doesn't.... have them.

If you want you can just throw suspension in there and remove lockouts altogether. As I said your question had a lot of inapplicable variables.

[Ciroco]

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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTF? You are dipping, dodging, and diving so much you can't even keep your argument coherent anymore.

Assuming we are following the current raid rules (which I find idiotic to begin with) I would fix that statement by saying you can't skirt punishments assigned to a group of people for bad behavior and you can't skip lockouts. However if you are reforming, or rebranding or splitting off from a guild, you should be allowed to switch classes to R as long as you don't kill a class C mob.

Back to the cherry picking Yendor. Why only quote part of the whole? I am disappoint.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No basically your questions contained unrelated variables that you through into a question that had no meaning and only supported your statement. Unfortunately, your question didn't represent the debate or reality.



Ummmm you kind of asked for my OPINION about a situation. If you read my position early in the thread you would realize my grievance is mainly with the idiotic raid rules.



Who said anything about a lockout? I clearly said that a new guild should be able to be class R unless they kill a Class C mob which dictated by the rules would set them to Class C. Forsaken hadn't killed a Class C mob. Still don't see where I said anything about a lockout.



It seems you are doing the cherrypicking. Punitive measures are assigned to all individuals in a guild class restrictions should be assigned to guilds. Are you are saying that if a TMO member apped to Taken and can now not raid class R mobs for 30 days.
Is the majority of Forsaken the majority of TMO? If TMO instead splintered into 3-4 guilds...are all those guilds Class C? Where do you draw the line?
If Forsaken instead merged with Taken... would they be Class R or Class C? If Forsaken merged into A-Team instead of taking a new guild name would they be Class R or Class C?
You are trying to fight phantom problems. Are you pro-border fence?



Why would I care if class R is calling out other class R guilds about lockout restrictions other than entertainment value. Also, this isn't a lockout discussion.

Is it not though? Because the rules don't seem intelligent or fair.

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back to the cherry picking Yendor.

This will suffice.

[quido]

didn't read any of the stupid Clooney shit, but this was A+, lol

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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

didn't read any of the stupid Clooney shit, but this was A+, lol

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I was thinking about doing this. You should have put in his quote about how real life threats aren't acceptable... while posting those above quotes.

[Corpsed]

That would of changed everything

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone else think "Foreskin" every time they see the Forsaken tag?

Originally Posted by Magifyre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time.

Nah, looks like ForSirken to me.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class doesn't have lockouts per se other than individual mob suspensions. Since you used lockouts in your statement about a class C guild I figured you were intending something along that line... since it would be inherently stupid to worry about lockouts on a class that doesn't.... have them.

If you want you can just throw suspension in there and remove lockouts altogether. As I said your question had a lot of inapplicable variables.

Please describe these inapplicable variables as you see them. You've mentioned this three times but failed to point them out and explain why they are inapplicable.

Again, the question was this:

Can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse without waiting for the 30-day cooldown period by merely changing their guild and therefore escaping (purposely or not) any restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to their original guild? Yes or no.

Let's break this down:

- Can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse

1) A large majority of TMO (Class C) formed up Forsaken and then killed Class R mobs. Fact, unless you're trying to tell us Forsaken is not TMO re-forming under a new guildtag.

2) Killing a Class R mob, unless your intention was to receive a suspension, implies that said group of players are in Class R.

- without waiting for the 30-day cooldown period

There is a 30-day cooldown period mandated by server staff going from Class C to Class R. Fact. The group of players being discussed did not wait 30 days before killing a Class R mob. Fact.

- and therefore escaping (purposely or not) any restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to their original guild?

You've already conceded punitive measures should follow the players. There is no clean slate by your own acceptance that punitive measures should follow the players, correct?

But why stop there and just cherry pick punitive measures? Why not all restrictions/conditions/lockouts/rules of the server?

Furthermore, how am I cherry picking when I include ALL of that stuff?

What part of this question is not based reality? What variables do not apply?

That Forsaken is largely made up of ex-TMO?

That there is a 30-day cooldown period that was not observed?

That restrictions of their original guild should no longer apply, allowing players to circumvent the raid rules by vacating their guild?

Please help me understand by breaking it down for me. No diverting. No dodging. No changing the parameters of the question and then answering that. No whipping out debate terms to avoid addressing any of these points.