GG DA

[Ronas]

Everyone being cool today? okey then cool

[Koota]

What's going on in here? D:

[Lazortag]

I have no stake in this either way, but I think that from now on offending guilds should be punished with mandatory community service, ie, they should get banned from the main server until they play 60+ hours on the Kunark test server testing bugs.

[Hollee]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hollee did you really just double post the same wallof text to add "DA" in a couple places?

And IB somewhere else. Yes.

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And lol at someone whos been in DA for maybe a month tops thinking they "know" their guildmates. Defend them all you want but most of the IB members posting against you guys in these threads have had more experience with Durison and his bullshit than you and we've never even been in his guild. Do you really think he'd just openly say "oh im not surprised, I knew that guy was using showeq" on vent when the raid suspension landed?

Also I fucking lolled at you acting like durison would have instantly removed anyone he knew was cheating when hes already harbored and openly used the services of dupers and cheaters, then when they got caught severed ties with them and acted like he didnt know despite all the extra AoNs and such that started floating around.

When IB was having troubles and needed to rebuild its membership he was headhunting our members by promising them raid loot over longstanding members of DA if they decided to come over there. I personally know of at least two people that were promised the next CoF's RBB's or AoN's that dropped if they made the switch. You can believe in your guild leadership's honesty and integrity all you want but theres been plenty in the past since before you were here that makes us feel differently.

What you fail to notice about my post, Pheer, is that I don't care what's been done in the past. It's simply that, the past. You claim as much when referring to Virtuosos' SEQ use. It's the past. I don't care. The only thing I have to say to Virtuosos is that he should be a bard, not a paladin, with a name like that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want DA to stop siting Virtuosos' "known" SEQ use in the past, then you need to stop throwing DA's reputation from the past into your own arguements. Hypocrisy doesn't benefit anyone.

I'm one of the more even-headed people you might speak with. Yes, there are DA members that hate IB with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. Yes, there are IB members that feel the same about DA. Doesn't matter to me, that's their opinion, not mine.

I'm more than happy to carry on a conversation with them as much as I am with us. I don't have to throw accusations back and forth, I can carry on a civilized exchange. I actually have a friend in IB that I talk to whenever drama like this hits and we both just shake our heads and roll our eyes.

Let the past die, folks, and just deal with what is happening now and that being said, what's happening now is the action of individuals, and not the majority. DA has been very adamant in all mediums about 'don't cheat'. I don't know which core people you think are the cheaters, but every officer I've seen and spoken with is a damn fine player and well respected (some of them are a little stranger than others, but that's neither here nor there).

This will be my last response on the RnF forum in this thread. If you feel like discussing this further, feel free to message me in game: Lorelae.

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[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Hollee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And IB somewhere else. Yes.



What you fail to notice about my post, Pheer, is that I don't care what's been done in the past. It's simply that, the past. You claim as much when referring to Virtuosos' SEQ use. It's the past. I don't care. The only thing I have to say to Virtuosos is that he should be a bard, not a paladin, with a name like that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want DA to stop siting Virtuosos' "known" SEQ use in the past, then you need to stop throwing DA's reputation from the past into your own arguements. Hypocrisy doesn't benefit anyone.

I'm one of the more even-headed people you might speak with. Yes, there are DA members that hate IB with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. Yes, there are IB members that feel the same about DA. Doesn't matter to me, that's their opinion, not mine.

I'm more than happy to carry on a conversation with them as much as I am with us. I don't have to throw accusations back and forth, I can carry on a civilized exchange. I actually have a friend in IB that I talk to whenever drama like this hits and we both just shake our heads and roll our eyes.

Let the past die, folks, and just deal with what is happening now and that being said, what's happening now is the action of individuals, and not the majority. DA has been very adamant in all mediums about 'don't cheat'. I don't know which core people you think are the cheaters, but every officer I've seen and spoken with is a damn fine player and well respected (some of them are a little stranger than others, but that's neither here nor there).

This will be my last response on the RnF forum in this thread. If you feel like discussing this further, feel free to message me in game: Lorelae.

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The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. Meanwhile DA and durison refuse to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever despite being caught red handed multiple times.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is virtuosos admitted it, apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again. Meanwhile DA and durison refuse to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever despite being caught red handed multiple times.

No, love. The difference is that ~rules~ are only used to punish people who aren't a part of your guild.

I bet Koota would promise never to do it again. Let's give him a 2nd chance too!

[skulldudes]

how do these threads go on for so long when it's basically a bunch of dudes making the same handful of arguments over and over again

[Massive Marc]

"You let that guy play with your children ?"
"Yes"
"But he went to jail for child molestation"
"Its OK, It was in the past"

[purist]

child molestation is obvi morally equivalent using a SEQ on project 99

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

child molestation is obvi morally equivalent using a SEQ on project 99

My point was: claiming that "bad stuff" happened in the past, doesn't mean it wont happen again.