Least Played Race/Class combos

[kaev]

First Warrior epic on p99 went to a WoodElf, or so the wiki claims http://wiki.project1999.com/Warrior_Epic_Quest

It's pretty clear that that poopsocking is the ultimate minmax (poopsocker = anybody who plays more than you do, especially if they're a member of a guild you dislike).

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Deckk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Somewhat disagree with first paragraph, totally agree with second.

Here's why I disagree: This server has been in kunark so long that you can get REALLY good gear in EC and minimize the stat disadvantages. Plus, skill DOES account for something. Sure, an equally skilled and geared Ogre/Troll/Ikky Warrior and DE/gnome/wood elf warrior are going to have a noticeable difference among them. But a meh ogre/troll/ikky is not going to be as desirable as a GOOD warrior of whatever race.

Personally, I think if you learn your class you can overcome the stat differences. Sure, life may be a little bit tougher, but 1) the lack of an xp penalty helps ease that burden (though with warrior it's not bad even with the large races) and 2) it's not too hard to overcome (in consideration with the p99 economy, of course).

It's going to take velious raid gear to bridge the gap between gnome and ogre stat wise, not just tradable kunark gear from EC.

Comparing a poorly played optimal race vs well played non-optimal race in order to say that race doesn't matter is a logical fallacy - everyone knows bad players are bad, but when comparing two races it can reasonably be assumed that the player making the choice will be at the same skill level with either race. You're correct that skill outweighs race choice, but we're not comparing good players to bad players, just race to race. In the same way you can use skill to overcome adversity as a non-optimal race, you can do the same from a stronger starting point with better stats.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that everyone needs to reroll "best" race. Just pointing out that it's not all equal, regardless of what comforting things we want to say otherwise.

[Deckk]

Originally Posted by Kutsumo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's going to take velious raid gear to bridge the gap between gnome and ogre stat wise, not just tradable kunark gear from EC.

Comparing a poorly played optimal race vs well played non-optimal race in order to say that race doesn't matter is a logical fallacy - everyone knows bad players are bad, but when comparing two races it can reasonably be assumed that the player making the choice will be at the same skill level with either race. You're correct that skill outweighs race choice, but we're not comparing good players to bad players, just race to race.

I see your points. But still, I don't think the difference is all that large for a majority of people. And while you're correct that Velious can truly bridge the gap, Kunark tradable stuff can still bridge it enough to make the difference not all that noticeable (aside from frontal stun immune and innate regen).

Good convo.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Deckk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see your points. But still, I don't think the difference is all that large for a majority of people. And while you're correct that Velious can truly bridge the gap, Kunark tradable stuff can still bridge it enough to make the difference not all that noticeable (aside from frontal stun immune and innate regen).

Good convo.

Yeah the difference isn't huge, and it will never keep you out of a group/raid/etc. There could be rare cases where you'd have won/lost a fight depending on those differences, but by and large you'll never notice it and never worry about it.

Personally, I have a really difficult time when I roll a race that doesn't fit my class best because I'm a numbers guy. When buying str/sta gear for my iksar warrior, I'm sitting there thinking how the 60str/52sta advantage for Ogre is roughly equivalent with a full set of high end gear (stat-wise) and just can't get past it. I'm a little jealous of those of you who can reason your way past it or aren't bothered by it.

[Deckk]

Originally Posted by Kutsumo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the difference isn't huge, and it will never keep you out of a group/raid/etc. There could be rare cases where you'd have won/lost a fight depending on those differences, but by and large you'll never notice it and never worry about it.

Personally, I have a really difficult time when I roll a race that doesn't fit my class best because I'm a numbers guy. When buying str/sta gear for my iksar warrior, I'm sitting there thinking how the 60str/52sta advantage for Ogre is roughly equivalent with a full set of high end gear (stat-wise) and just can't get past it.

That's cool, though, because you're playing something that you like/are comfortable with. I only get nervous about min/maxing when people try to force it on themselves.

I did it with my ogre and I wasted a portion (not large) of time leveling him a bit. I only did it because, "OMG! NUMBERS!!"

I did it with the Ikky (although, I liked the race, the area and the racials much more) and I wound up liking him. But the whole time I played him I thought, "Man, I'm going to have to stay near iksar land while I level to get my skills. I could venture out, but man, that's risky." And I wound up re-rolling.

I went gnome. Stats stink. But I'm having much more fun. 1) Gnome is my favorite classic race. 2) I think gnome looks badass in armor. 3) Not KoS everywhere. 4) Good starting area. 5) XP bonus (and not a penalty)

[dafier]

With Velious being released in the next few months, filling those 'stats' won't be the issue that it is now.

Woodelf vs Ogre. Stats really won't matter. What has ALWAYS mattered though is the stun. Ogre Warriors have always been choice of end content guilds. Can't be stunned in the front makes a HUGE difference with boss mobs.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Deckk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there any place to find out what the least played class/race combos are?

I'm always interested in that kind of thing, and it could add a bit of fun to the game to play a rare combo (I think I've finally come to the conclusion that I'm going to need to experience many classes to be able to choose my main).

I'm guessing combos such as:

Human/Shadow Knight
Erudite/Shadow Knight
Dark Elf/Shadow Knight
Iksar? (min/max potential but high xp penalty and I haven't seen many)/Shadow Knight
Gnome/Cleric
Erudite/Cleric
Erudite/Paladin
Half Elf/Paladin
Wood Elf/Ranger
Human/Ranger
Half Elf/Ranger
Barbarian/Shaman
Gnome/Warrior
Wood Elf/Warrior

Just curious on numbers. Min/maxing is cool and all, but having some rarity is kind of a fun thing as well.

Half Elf Warrior is probably the best class to choose if you are a min maxer and want to be unique. Although, if you are asking this type of question you won't be able to utilize it because it is only useful if you are the main tank in a raiding guild.

Of the races with high charisma they also have best combo of stamina/agi/dex. Charisma is the hardest stat to increase as a warrior through gear and it works with divine intervention.

[Catashe]

I never really understood the whole min/max mentality on this server.. I mean why would most people roll certain race/class combo if they just don't like said race/class... Sure some racials are nice but I've never found them to be OMG I got to have them or I'm worthless.. Maybe it was just because alot of people started on this server back when it was just classic and starting stats actually meant something compared to today when everything been farmed 100000 times over and with Velious coming out its even more moot...

[Deckk]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With Velious being released in the next few months, filling those 'stats' won't be the issue that it is now.

Woodelf vs Ogre. Stats really won't matter. What has ALWAYS mattered though is the stun. Ogre Warriors have always been choice of end content guilds. Can't be stunned in the front makes a HUGE difference with boss mobs.

Agree that it certainly makes a difference. But that is something that can be overcome (just a bit more work on the guildmates). And again, most people won't ever see the end game content at the highest end. When Velious comes out, I'll probably be trying to do Nagy/Vox raids, if that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Catashe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never really understood the whole min/max mentality on this server.. I mean why would most people roll certain race/class combo if they just don't like said race/class... Sure some racials are nice but I've never found them to be OMG I got to have them or I'm worthless.. Maybe it was just because alot of people started on this server back when it was just classic and starting stats actually meant something compared to today when everything been farmed 100000 times over and with Velious coming out its even more moot...

This server has been out for a very very long time. It has mattered up until this point and will continue to matter until you are level 60 with decent Velious gear. In addition it will continue to matter with racials (Iksar/troll regen, Ogre stun immunity, etc.).

Normally min/maxing has to do with race which is just looks, as opposed to class which would be a change in play style.

Starting stats will always matter for levels 1-50.