Consider Project 2002

[Taryth]

Originally Posted by wormed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no boxing. Which is huge to me, and many, no matter how you want to spin it.

I didn't try to spin it. You asked what P2002 does better than P1999.

Boxing, btw, is classic.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boxing, btw, is classic.

No, it wasn't, or at least not in any way an emulated server can reproduce. On live to box you had to:

• have multiple physical computers
• pay $15 per boxed account
• have an internet connection with enough bandwidth

No one in the classic era ever had even a single free account, let alone 2+, and even if they were willing to pay for extra accounts they couldn't use them from the same computer because the client could only handle one instance (you could run multiple instances by using EQW, but that was a banned 3rd-party program). And even if you did have 2x accounts and 2x computers, you needed a (at the time very pricey) ISDN or DSL line, or you needed multiple phone lines/ISP accounts.

So, paying $30+ a month, having two computers, and paying out the nose for an internet connection that could handle both of them was classic; everything else isn't.

[Taryth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it wasn't, or at least not in any way an emulated server can reproduce. On live to box you had to:

• have multiple physical computers
• pay $15 per boxed account
• have an internet connection with enough bandwidth

No one in the classic era ever had even a single free account, let alone 2+, and even if they were willing to pay for extra accounts they couldn't use them from the same computer because the client could only handle one instance (you could run multiple instances by using EQW, but that was a banned 3rd-party program). And even if you did have 2x accounts and 2x computers, you needed a (at the time very pricey) ISDN or DSL line, or you needed multiple phone lines/ISP accounts.

So, paying $30+ a month, having two computers, and paying out the nose for an internet connection that could handle both of them was classic; everything else isn't.

Nonetheless, it is something which has always existed. You not being able to afford it at the time does not represent everyone else.

[Taryth]

It wasn't $15/month back in the day, either. Not that such a detail is truly relevant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasn't $15/month back in the day, either. Not that such a detail is truly relevant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, you do have a point there; couldn't remember what EQ used to cost per month. Was it $9.99?

[BossThunderace]

Ohh classic this classic that, I'm making a post from my iPhone! Not classic :/

[Orruar]

Regardless of which server has more "classic" mechanics, 4 years of Kunark has wrecked P99 to the point where it certainly doesn't feel anywhere near as classic as it did when Kunark launched.

As far as boxing goes, our server had dozens of 2/3 boxers on live during Velious-PoP. One guy even ran a 6-box team. Boxing was a pretty common part of the game during this era. It was probably more rare in classic-Kunark, but that era is just about over on P99 and will be over soon enough on P02.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Isn't P2002 where the butthurt A&H guys ran off to once they realized TAKP GMs weren't going to play favorites? Are they really the ones you want running a server that you play on?

I'm not trying to be cute, it's got sleeper server 2.0 written all over it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nonetheless, it is something which has always existed. You not being able to afford it at the time does not represent everyone else.

First off, I did box in the classic era (using a friend's accounts/gaming center computers), so it has nothing to do with what I could/couldn't afford at the time. The point is, boxing in the classic era was extremely rare, because it required significant financial hardship (or rare shared resources like a computer gaming center with a community of EQ players willing to let others use their account).

A server full of three-boxers isn't in any way classic, nor will it ever be. You can say "boxing is classic" all you want, but by definition EQ Emulator boxing will always be un-paid and thus un-classic (even if you ignore factors like needing multiple computers/expensive internet).

P.S. I don't mean to pass any sort of judgement on boxing; it's not right or wrong, it's just different. My only point is that on live the cost was a key limiting factor, and that limiting factor was an essential part of making a server "classic". There's a reason why Project 1999, the most classic server ever made (since 2000 at least), bans boxing.

[kdko]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it wasn't, or at least not in any way an emulated server can reproduce. On live to box you had to:

• have multiple physical computers
• pay $15 per boxed account
• have an internet connection with enough bandwidth

No one in the classic era ever had even a single free account, let alone 2+, and even if they were willing to pay for extra accounts they couldn't use them from the same computer because the client could only handle one instance (you could run multiple instances by using EQW, but that was a banned 3rd-party program). And even if you did have 2x accounts and 2x computers, you needed a (at the time very pricey) ISDN or DSL line, or you needed multiple phone lines/ISP accounts.

So, paying $30+ a month, having two computers, and paying out the nose for an internet connection that could handle both of them was classic; everything else isn't.

You're obviously misinformed, or never played classic EQ. There were tons of us who borrowed guild accounts to box and power level our own toons, using EQW, which didn't take any bandwidth whatsoever. There was no need to pay for a separate account on your own. Nice try defending your outdated and ignorant logic though. Just say you don't agree with it than make up some bs.