Rules Clarification Pls - Page 2

Champion_Standing · #1 05-20-2015, 10:41 AM

Calling all young P99 lawyers, someone needs to take this case!

tristantio · #2 05-20-2015, 10:45 AM

Paying in game items/pp for viewers is a roundabout way of RMT (you want viewers for popularity aka advertising revenue in most cases).

If that were allowed, why couldn't we just say, hey, give me $100 and I'll do whatever you want in game for the next 2 hours (be it PL or an epic MQ etc.) - I mean, at that point it's not directly selling pp for cash - but its equivalent isn't it? You're exchanging their time/money outside of game for your time/money in game.

tristantio · #3 05-20-2015, 10:59 AM

Oh - also I recall them saying you cannot trade other game currency (say, WOW gold or live EQ pp) for p99 currency (it's considered RMT). The only exception being blue99 to red99 trades.

So I definitely think this falls in that area, although GMs who are never supposed to partake in RMT in anyway have given out items (Guise of the Deceiver) in response to their twitch viewers putting key words in the chat (I think it was Sirken's stream announcing Velious a month or so ago as the most recent example of this).

Samoht · #4 05-20-2015, 11:26 AM

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So I definitely think this falls in that area, although GMs who are never supposed to partake in RMT in anyway have given out items (Guise of the Deceiver) in response to their twitch viewers putting key words in the chat (I think it was Sirken's stream announcing Velious a month or so ago as the most recent example of this).

Sirken's give away differed from the OPs in two ways:

1) It did not award them with droppable items that were worth anything in game.
2) It did not require them to trade a Twitch currency for extra raffle tickets.

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Maybe if you didn't require points for raffle tickets and just gave one to everybody viewing.

Kinda like I mentioned here.

Champion_Standing · #5 05-20-2015, 11:09 AM

Nobody will ever make any significant amount of ad revenue streaming P99 lol.

Swish · #6 05-20-2015, 01:02 PM

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Nobody will ever make any significant amount of ad revenue streaming P99 lol.

I donated $1 to someone in Kurn's last year. He was thankful but he didn't give me any loot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MycahDavith · #7 05-20-2015, 01:48 PM

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Thulack · #8 05-20-2015, 03:40 PM

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Nobody will ever make any significant amount of ad revenue streaming P99 lol.

This. You get like 1$ for every 1000 people that watch a ad.

Seltius · #9 05-20-2015, 11:23 AM

Maybe assign each person a number in your channel and then do a random drawing type thing later and give away in game item or plat/gold. Again that is if the powers that be accept it. But the only way to ensure its fair is to give everyone in channel a chance. Maybe do them random with little to no warning so people hang out just for the chance to chat and that you might do a raffle. Exclude all point/money/other factors to prevent a misconception that there is any money exchange. Maybe do trivia to give people a chance at additional tickets.

Again this all hinges on it being accepted by the GMs/Devs and they may not even accept this since it could open a whole new set of headaches for them.

MycahDavith · #10 05-20-2015, 11:34 AM

I can certainly understand the concerns about RMT. And as someone has mentioned, there have been give-aways in the past from GM, but also other streamers have done it, and are currently doing it. Not trying to out anyone.
Some people limit it to followers. Anyone can hit the "follow" button. Also streamers have the ability to accept donations.

This can be abused via PL'ing etc., etc.

This topic can possibly open a can of worms. Not sure if GM's can stop people from streaming. Would it be a new rule, "If you play on P99, you are not allowed to stream or accept donations" - that's just asinine.

But back to specific topic.

If the raffle was free and open to ANYONE , follower or not, no "points" required. Is having a raffle/randomized give-away for in-game items legal?

The point system/bot program will not be going away, because as I mentioned I'll be doing give away for Steam games, namely H1Z1. Those give-aways will be point based to loyal viewers only.

While I appreciate the responses, and always encourage intelligent debate, no matter how volatile, official feedback would be greatly appreciated.