Just a reminder for new and old players regarding Real Money Transactions (RMT)

[Temig]

Originally Posted by fauxreigner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

The only thing a log could ever possibly help with would be if you made some sort of multiple-party trade (ie. I'll give you XX plat on this char, and you can give YY item to my other character). It would give you details regarding character names etc. that may help their investigation, but staff would still verify everything via server logs -- you'd just possibly give them a place to look.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by fauxreigner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

Don't accept larges sums of plat with nothing in return from anyone for any reason. That will get you flagged straight up.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by fauxreigner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really casual player here, just getting back into the game. I have a couple of questions about what to do while I'm playing to cover my butt in case I'm unjustly punished in the future. I understand that this is very unlikely to occur but I'd like to have evidence if I have to prove myself innocent.

How will enabling logging help a player prove himself innocent in the event he is wrongly caught in a banwave? Does a player log have some information that GM's can't see in server logs? Do I need to do anything to timestamp and archive my play logs between playing sessions?

If you enable your log, it will log everything that appears in your chat window(s) with a date and time stamp.

Unless the server records every single tell sent, then GMs won't have access to your discussion with the other player(s) regarding your trade.

[fauxreigner]

Originally Posted by Temig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing a log could ever possibly help with would be if you made some sort of multiple-party trade (ie. I'll give you XX plat on this char, and you can give YY item to my other character). It would give you details regarding character names etc. that may help their investigation, but staff would still verify everything via server logs -- you'd just possibly give them a place to look.

Oh, I see. Narrowing the search space makes sense, but I thought maybe there was more to it.

Thanks for the response.

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you enable your log, it will log everything that appears in your chat window(s) with a date and time stamp.

Unless the server records every single tell sent, then GMs won't have access to your discussion with the other player(s) regarding your trade.

I thought EVERYTHING was saved server side; guildchat, ooc, tells, /say, etc. Am I wrong about this?

One could easily fake a log file ... if it isn't saved serverside it's meaningless.

[Temig]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought EVERYTHING was saved server side; guildchat, ooc, tells, /say, etc. Am I wrong about this?

One could easily fake a log file ... if it isn't saved serverside it's meaningless.

IIRC, no communication at all is stored server-side. I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly sure I remember someone on staff stating as such.

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by Temig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IIRC, no communication at all is stored server-side. I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly sure I remember someone on staff stating as such.

Hmmmm, ok, I'll turn my log file on I guess then. I've held cash for a monk friend I play with from time to time to keep his weight down but the max trade was 696pp, hardly worrisome to anyone I'm sure.

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

[Temig]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmmm, ok, I'll turn my log file on I guess then. I've held cash for a monk friend I play with from time to time to keep his weight down but the max trade was 696pp, hardly worrisome to anyone I'm sure.

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

NUMPAD - should be the default. Should be able to be changed ALT-O for options then I want to say it's in with the camera settings.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stupid question ... I can't recall for the life of me how to take a screenshot and a quick wiki and forum search wasn't helpful. A reminder on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

minus/dash symbol on your numerical keypad, if you play on a laptop that doesn't have a dedicated numerical keypad, you may have to do a combination of function key + whatever other key it is set.

You should also be able to change it in the EQ -> Options -> Keys menu to whatever button you want.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't accept larges sums of plat with nothing in return from anyone for any reason. That will get you flagged straight up.

I mean I understand this is well-intentioned, but I'd really rather people not listen to this advice. It's true that it can get you flagged if the person giving you the platinum happens to be an RMTer, or if you happen to be an RMTer, but I really don't see the purpose in taking extreme measures like avoiding certain transactions altogether.

This will lead to chilling effects. I don't think it's a coincidence that people are much more reluctant to help with item and plat transfers after the last banwave, but I also think people's concerns are largely unfounded. I just want to stress that you can rely on the staff to do their job - you're not gonna get permabanned if you've done nothing wrong.

Not stressing out over the safety of certain transactions and keeping the willingness to help other people and trade freely alive is much more important than saving yourself a few days of playtime in the unlikely event that you get caught in a banwave. I have done twice as many transactions that will scan as highly suspicious if they happened to have involved an RMTer as I had done when my account was banned in the last banwave. And you know what? I'm not worried about it. I turned on logging. I don't RMT. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.