Rogue Pickpocket Skill (Looking for definitive ruling)

[Nubben]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A good rogue has doability 1, 2, and 3 in their evade macro, one of which is pickpocketing.

A good rogue doesn't need a macro to evade.

[Samoht]

Using an evade macro lowers your autoattack uptime and ultimately means lower DPS.

[bktroost]

I believe Eunomia ruled on this with a creeping rogue and some ears gnoll ears. You cannot pickpocket another group's mobs.

Official ruling.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using an evade macro lowers your autoattack uptime and ultimately means lower DPS.

False. Getting agro ultimately means lower DPS.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using an evade macro lowers your autoattack uptime and ultimately means lower DPS.

Also, why add potential hate to your attack? If you are not a VP rogue and you have thornstinger, you should have three weapon slots on your hotbar so you can primary thronstinger, secondary epic and swap in your EoN to secondary and secondary to primary right before backstab becomes available and then out again. Then you hide/evade. You already are adding your extra proc chance with Thornstinger (aggro) which gives you the added attack bonus and low ration-- swings per round. That's a lot of work to go through just to have a macro make you loose some of those attacks and generate even more.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the closest to an answer to my question I think, that pickpocketing someone else's mobs, possibly even your own groups' mobs if you don't have permission, would fall under harassment.

No. In this situation, your group has the ability to do something about it, specfically kicking the scumbag out. If you're having your mobs pickpocketed by an out of party rogue, there's no recourse other than getting a GM involved if the rogue refuses to stop.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, why add potential hate to your attack? If you are not a VP rogue and you have thornstinger, you should have three weapon slots on your hotbar so you can primary thronstinger, secondary epic and swap in your EoN to secondary and secondary to primary right before backstab becomes available and then out again. Then you hide/evade. You already are adding your extra proc chance with Thornstinger (aggro) which gives you the added attack bonus and low ration-- swings per round. That's a lot of work to go through just to have a macro make you loose some of those attacks and generate even more.

GDI no. Weapon swapping has been proven to lower DPS. Evade is enough to manage even a rune proc.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GDI no. Weapon swapping has been proven to lower DPS.

I read and read and I can't figure out why that's said. I've parsed and had better results with it than epic+EoN.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. In this situation, your group has the ability to do something about it, specfically kicking the scumbag out. If you're having your mobs pickpocketed by an out of party rogue, there's no recourse other than getting a GM involved if the rogue refuses to stop.

Ever have a rogue come up to your group's mobs and just stand there? If the tank moves it away and if he follows, petition it up... I've only seen it a few times but some people think its acceptable and like you won't notice or something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read and read and I can't figure out why that's said. I've parsed and had better results with it than epic+EoN.

For the same reason Samoht thinks evade lowers DPS. (Although evading has an insignificant impact on DPS). You restart the weapon's attack timer when you swap. Do this multiple times over a fight, adding in human error and delays in swapping, and you're losing swings over time = lost DPS.

Thorn + Epic is going to be the best weapon combo in Kunark for most people. Swapping to a 15 DMG weapon to backstab will lower your DPS.
If you've had results suggesting otherwise, how big is your sample size? How often are you doing this?