Rampage stall on VS kill

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a damn shame that there are still two overlord wannabe guilds sitting in class R pretending to be a bunch of badasses when they compete (most of the time) against guilds that the class system should have protected from said badasses.

I'd wind my neck in on this if Velious was in May, but isn't... so I'm going to absolutely agree. Would it hurt for VP keyed guilds such as BDA/Taken to give C a try?

You know... to be better prepared as a raid force for Velious when it lands in August? Where have I heard that before?

[Akashx]

I like being in class C. You get way more tells that you are being fraps.

[Verenity]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd wind my neck in on this if Velious was in May, but isn't... so I'm going to absolutely agree. Would it hurt for VP keyed guilds such as BDA/Taken to give C a try?

You know... to be better prepared as a raid force for Velious when it lands in August? Where have I heard that before?

Speaking as an individual who is almost three years retired from raiding/playing this game, why would this really benefit BDA/Taken? There are dozens of retired BDA players who have been geared up then stopped playing the game and I'm sure the same thing is true with Taken. These individuals, at least in BDA, have killed pretty much every mob in the game, including many in VP. Now, assuming that at least half of those retired, experienced, geared individuals come back for Velious when it drops, BDA's raidforce will likely near 100 for any given mob. No mob in Kunark requires even 1/3 of that amount of raiders.

Many of us retired BDA have already been through the competitive style of raiding that is now considered class C since the class system was enacted. Especially those of us who stuck around after the TMO-BDA competitions of 2012 and subsequent FE split. Now I don't even pretend to speak for the guild in which I am tagged, considering I probably barely know 1/5 of the active raiders at this point, but it stands to reason that gearing up our current memberbase and not burning them out before Velious is the best possible strategy.

But what do I know, I'm just another armchair general who enjoys thinking about this kind of thing.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many of us retired BDA have already been through the competitive style of raiding that is now considered class C since the class system was enacted. Especially those of us who stuck around after the TMO-BDA competitions of 2012 and subsequent FE split. Now I don't even pretend to speak for the guild in which I am tagged, considering I probably barely know 1/5 of the active raiders at this point, but it stands to reason that gearing up our current memberbase and not burning them out before Velious is the best possible strategy.

But what do I know, I'm just another armchair general who enjoys thinking about this kind of thing.

The problem right now my man, is BDA is still competing, but they are competing intensely in class R, which was meant to be the class that gave the smaller and new guilds a chance to actually experience content. The point we are trying to make here is BDA isn't laying back, they and Taken are fiercely competing with each other when they should be in class C competing with the rest of those that actually want competition. At the current moment, BDA can be considered the fat bully on the playground pushing the smaller kids face in the sand pit. VP has nothing to do with their or the rest of our situations. It's just them refusing to come to C because they see its easier to push down a few guilds who can't mobilize in time to catch a win.

[Swish]

Haggard Krew and Asgard probably have less VP keyed folks combined versus BDA, yet they're giving it a try.

Says a lot, but I haven't logged into blue for the last month or so. Just seems strange that there's 2 hyper competitive guilds in the R tier who only have to face off against each other every 3rd dragon pop when both aren't locked out.

The rules won't get changed, the guilds won't move up... doesn't say much for the P99 raid scene, and arguably encourages people who want to raid to apply to them, which ends up with 90 (and rising) BDA and/or 90 (and rising) Taken or whatever turning up for a Trakanon that's engaged before its even possible to coth everyone down.

I wonder how/if the Velious raid scene will shake this up.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haggard Krew and Asgard probably have less VP keyed folks combined versus BDA, yet they're giving it a try.

Says a lot, but I haven't logged into blue for the last month or so. Just seems strange that there's 2 hyper competitive guilds in the R tier who only have to face off against each other every 3rd dragon pop when both aren't locked out.

The rules won't get changed, the guilds won't move up... doesn't say much for the P99 raid scene, and arguably encourages people who want to raid to apply to them, which ends up with 90 (and rising) BDA and/or 90 (and rising) Taken or whatever turning up for a Trakanon that's engaged before its even possible to coth everyone down.

I wonder how/if the Velious raid scene will shake this up.

I can almost gaurantee it will, my brother.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haggard Krew and Asgard probably have less VP keyed folks combined versus BDA, yet they're giving it a try.

Says a lot, but I haven't logged into blue for the last month or so. Just seems strange that there's 2 hyper competitive guilds in the R tier who only have to face off against each other every 3rd dragon pop when both aren't locked out.

The rules won't get changed, the guilds won't move up... doesn't say much for the P99 raid scene, and arguably encourages people who want to raid to apply to them, which ends up with 90 (and rising) BDA and/or 90 (and rising) Taken or whatever turning up for a Trakanon that's engaged before its even possible to coth everyone down.

I wonder how/if the Velious raid scene will shake this up.

For what it's worth, we only had 60 folks for Trak last night and cothed every single one down before we engaged.

The only other guilds we competed with last night were Class C guilds... so I am not sure your argument is valid.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just frustrating more than anything else. We executed our strategy properly but all it takes is Rampage sending their castoff B team (including BDA and TMO reject Calrizien) to train the crap out of everyone in KC for a solid 8-10 minutes while they dealt with PD.

Their FTEr (Kegluas) wasn't even in zone until 10 mins after the repop. Obvious stall tactic is obvious.

Calrizien is a shithead guildhopping no talent scumbag.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Clockw0rk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When guilds will never get suspended for more than a week nor during actual mob spawn times, things will never change

[Clark]

Originally Posted by HalflingWarrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid-related petitions absolutely should be 100% publicly available and recorded.

There's no reason to have it hidden away. Good deeds are done in the light of day while evil deeds are shrouded in darkness and all that nonsense.

100% agree.

If I applied to be a GM back in the day everything would all be public, I'd invis stalk boss spawns, and wouldn't focus on a twitch stream. If I ever would have envisioned things being this poor I would have for sure.