VD + GM = SUPERBAD

[Nakara]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you cause problems for yourselves, one of the two is going to come out of it full of piss and vinegar.

maybe you should tell your GM's to make sure it's the right party next time so we don't get 20 threads about it!?

[Alkorin]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn. I should get paid to whine, piss and moan all day long.

Fixed.

You really need to get out more.

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JFK died championing the fight against political corruption. They assassinated him. Or do you believe otherwise?

MLK Jr. died championing the fight against social injustice and racism. They assassinated him. Or do you believe otherwise?

Nobody ever makes an attempt to discredit Jesus, which is ironic because he is the one we know LEAST about.

Your /facepalm broke upon impact.

/served

They? Who the fuck is they? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists that believes a secret society runs the world?

1st: No one to this day agrees *why* JFK was assassinated. Seriously, there are people who have dedicated their lives to it. nearly 50 years later it's been offered up as possibly 'The question of the 20th century'
Theories range from the most plausible 'nutjob with an axe to grind' to the laughable 'he wanted to bring the Hoover-esque CIA to heel plus end Vietnam' to the truly outlandish 'He was a member of the Illuminati gone rogue and needed to be silenced'.
He wasn't a martyr if people can't agree what he died for.

2nd: MLK- One crazy guy with an inordinately large streak of racism (and a large criminal record) acted out of rage against another person with an opposing ideal. I'm starting to think you need to hit up Webster-Merriam to re-acquaint yourself with the term martyr before we continue this discussion.

I in NO WAY want to discount what Martin Luther King Jr. had to say, or the equality he fought for, but make no mistake, he never offered to die for it.

No one discredits Jesus' martyrdom, because according to the bible, he actually VOLUNTEERED to die for a cause.

I'm gonna let it go. I pretty much put this thing into the 'for shits-n-giggles' column when you compared your hissy-fit over a video game to the fight for civil rights.

It's been fun.

[Dantes]

You probably would have lost the roll anyway.

[Ongbak]

This thread delivered, QQ

[Kavanah]

I'm even more satisfied now that I chose to app to VD >_<

But that has nothing to do with these posts!

[Uberom]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They? Who the fuck is they? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists that believes a secret society runs the world?

1st: No one to this day agrees *why* JFK was assassinated. Seriously, there are people who have dedicated their lives to it. nearly 50 years later it's been offered up as possibly 'The question of the 20th century'
Theories range from the most plausible 'nutjob with an axe to grind' to the laughable 'he wanted to bring the Hoover-esque CIA to heel plus end Vietnam' to the truly outlandish 'He was a member of the Illuminati gone rogue and needed to be silenced'.
He wasn't a martyr if people can't agree what he died for.

2nd: MLK- One crazy guy with an inordinately large streak of racism (and a large criminal record) acted out of rage against another person with an opposing ideal. I'm starting to think you need to hit up Webster-Merriam to re-acquaint yourself with the term martyr before we continue this discussion.

I in NO WAY want to discount what Martin Luther King Jr. had to say, or the equality he fought for, but make no mistake, he never offered to die for it.

No one discredits Jesus' martyrdom, because according to the bible, he actually VOLUNTEERED to die for a cause.

I'm gonna let it go. I pretty much put this thing into the 'for shits-n-giggles' column when you compared your hissy-fit over a video game to the fight for civil rights.

It's been fun.

I didnt compare the events, I compared the ideology behind them..

"What is popular is not always right, what is right is not always popular."

Hence, I wrote the theme statement to be recognized directly after the comparison.

Also..there is not one definition for martyr. There are quite a few.

This is directly from Oxford English dictionary....something you probably don't have free access to.

2. a. In extended (esp. non-religious) contexts: a person who undergoes death or great suffering for a faith, belief, or cause, or (usu. with to; also with of, for) through devotion to some object

I think that sufficiently ends that debate.

As to the question of "they". I think it is pretty obvious that if a mystery on the scale of such is not solved, then the government has something to do with it. To think that in an age we live in , we couldn't solve a murder if we put the resources to it, is just naive. Someone out there knows, and if I did, I wouldn't be the type of person to play EQ. I would probably be in some D.C. office regulating our national government.

Sir, your efforts were valiant, but in vain.

[Acillatem]

Dude lol

You claim one of the reasons yer mad is because you called Efreeti in camp checks and wanna know why we came up anywayz.

Answer? Because /ooc at the time in SolB had a few people claiming you had just trained them at B&B. Sorry, but IMO that warrants at least a drive-by to see if yer still up there.

THEN you get pissed claiming we have no respect for spawns or camps etc.

But the first person to initiate ANY form of communication was YOU by ranting in /ooc about the camp JUST as we get to the top. We hadn't even DONE anything at this point other than show up at the top of the ramp and aggro one of the statics.

You wanted to be an asshole from the get-go. YOU set the tone of the encounter, we just followed suit.

Now - you said the efreeti chamber wasn't respawned, but yesterday you said:

We were camping 1 spawn.

Obviously we were pulling mobs at a reasonable rate, because again, half the spawn was fucking killed.

I've already said that the efreeti and all the mobs pertinent to the spawn were down. The only thing up was the imps outside which we use as pets and shit.

Now that last one is important and proves my point.

Because it's already been established that the Efreeti was just killed. Anyone who has done Efreeti in the past knows you can't pacify the Efreeti. You hafta pacify the room and then pull the Efreeti FIRST. If that was the case that means the Efreeti PH would be the first respawn after the statics outside.

You are openly admitting the respawns were up outside when we got there.

So we:

a)killed the one we aggrod upon arrival
b)had our little spat in /ooc and /say
c)charmed the other static outside

Do you really think that in that time frame 1 more mob (Efreeti PH) hadn't respawned? Because that's what you are trying to convince everyone here. Your whole argument is that I'm lying about the Efreeti PH being respawned, yet you are providing all the evidence I need to show it was.

As I already said - maybe if you had taken a more political approach about it rather than mouthing off from the get-go, we wouldn't have done what we did. No doubt it was a dick move, but I'm not going to be all "rosy nice" to someone who acts like a jerk right off the bat. At that point - any semblance of me being nice and respecting your camp mid-wipe kinda get tossed out the window.

And I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone else would have done anything different. If you roll up on a person struggling with a camp and the first words out of their mouth are insults and petitions - how would you respond? "oh let us rez your poor ENC kind sir and we'll leave."

Hell no - you would have been provoked into doing exactly what I did.

[Kavanah]

Originally Posted by Acillatem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude lol

You claim one of the reasons yer mad is because you called Efreeti in camp checks and wanna know why we came up anywayz.

Answer? Because /ooc at the time in SolB had a few people claiming you had just trained them at B&B. Sorry, but IMO that warrants at least a drive-by to see if yer still up there.

THEN you get pissed claiming we have no respect for spawns or camps etc.

But the first person to initiate ANY form of communication was YOU by ranting in /ooc about the camp JUST as we get to the top. We hadn't even DONE anything at this point other than show up at the top of the ramp and aggro one of the statics.

You wanted to be an asshole from the get-go. YOU set the tone of the encounter, we just followed suit.

Now - you said the efreeti chamber wasn't respawned, but yesterday you said:





Now that last one is important and proves my point.

Because it's already been established that the Efreeti was just killed. Anyone who has done Efreeti in the past knows you can't pacify the Efreeti. You hafta pacify the room and then pull the Efreeti FIRST. If that was the case that means the Efreeti PH would be the first respawn after the statics outside.

You are openly admitting the respawns were up outside when we got there.

So we:

a)killed the one we aggrod upon arrival
b)had our little spat in /ooc and /say
c)charmed the other static outside

Do you really think that in that time frame 1 more mob (Efreeti PH) hadn't respawned? Because that's what you are trying to convince everyone here. Your whole argument is that I'm lying about the Efreeti PH being respawned, yet you are providing all the evidence I need to show it was.

As I already said - maybe if you had taken a more political approach about it rather than mouthing off from the get-go, we wouldn't have done what we did. No doubt it was a dick move, but I'm not going to be all "rosy nice" to someone who acts like a jerk right off the bat. At that point - any semblance of me being nice and respecting your camp mid-wipe kinda get tossed out the window.

And I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone else would have done anything different. If you roll up on a person struggling with a camp and the first words out of their mouth are insults and petitions - how would you respond? "oh let us rez your poor ENC kind sir and we'll leave."

Hell no - you would have been provoked into doing exactly what I did.

Sooo... if VD wipes on a raid target, its up for grabs by any other guild during their time of recouping right? From what I've gathered via the forums, that is the general rule of thumb right? The strong get the raid target. The quick to mobilize get the raid target. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that playstyle, I just don't see why it would be different for a mob that is duoable vs a raid target or why someone would be shocked about this. In the very least just call it a douch move which I believe Acc has already claimed it to be, whether or not you were a douche in the first place. Just seems like this situation is in line with what the rest of the server does/agrees with. /shrug.

[Uberom]

Actually, I believe your warrior mouthed off first saying that I needed to exhibit the ability to clear the camp. THEN I proceeded to rant off in /ooc. You engaged my camp, my mobs, and my anger first, not the other way around.

Secondly, your logic is once again flawed. The spawn rate in there is over 20 minutes. Your group did not take 20 minutes to kill the imps outside. Your group was standing by, as well as myself and the Enchanter, before the PH spawned. I know this because I had him on timer, and when he did spawn, we pulled him.

I don't see what your argument is here. You claim that I raged first, but it was my camp, and you guys threatened to take it ... so, yes, I had something to say about it.

So, again, go fuck yourself...you have zero respect...

Apparently if you steal a camp, and the other guy gets mad about it, your entitled to the camp?? LOL. Nice logic, asshole.

I linked GEBS as soon as efreeti went down. You guys show up anyway? Lol. You want me to send you a screenshot next time to prove to you that I have the camp under control?

Face it, your wrong. You know it, the server knows it. Your a fucking cuntbag who took advantage of have 6 people vs only 2 .

GTFO my thread bitch.