Do Not Engage: Warriors Vs. PALs/SHDs

[Nakara]

Originally Posted by Meldor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I might be a douche but you are a freaking noobs, Go back to Wow

you can't even speak English

[Dantes]

English is for newbs. Go back to WoW.

[Kich]

Go back to WoW.

Sippin' on the haterade much?

[Dantes]

No actually I'm just mocking the kid who keeps saying "Go back to Wow."

Go back to WoW.

[Kich]

It was more to him than you, but your quote was closer =P

[Grod]

A lot of it really comes down to the players and sometimes other players in the group need to adapt. Some tanks you don't need to worry about agro at all and it's efficient and with other tanks you have to hold back on your threat some it's just about knowing how to do it.

The other tactic I posted about building threat FOR the warrior so he can pre-taunt mezzed mobs is something in all likelihood very few tanks would ever think to do so the "reputations" of classes in a lot of times is based on the skill level of the average player of that class and not what exceptional players can accomplish with that class.

The thing is, especially in Kunark, an exceptional warrior will be able to hold agro just as effectively as any of the hybrids with better mitigation and on raids that essentially makes the hybrids obsolete so what happened in MOST top end raiding guilds is that they kept limited spots available for hybrids because there is no reason to bring in multiple SK's/Paladins if they are essentially limited to a DPS role or inferior in the other roles. For example, they aren't the best pulling classes, they aren't the best crowd control class and they aren't the best tanks.

Ironically the hybrids that brought the most to raids were the Bards and Rangers. Bards actually did make excellent pullers and could fill multiple roles and Rangers brought the most versatility although very few guilds used Rangers properly an exceptionally skilled Ranger was a very important addition to a raid. They were probably the best kiting class in game because Snares caused no damage and were high agro (Druids could snare but they were more effectively used as healers and SK snare caused damage which would lead to the mob summoning).

Rangers were also the best class to transition a tank death without a wipe because they had the most reliable agro of the DPS classes through fast casting snares and the longest avoidance discipline with weaponshield so between the tank transitions and kiting they could effectively fill important roles on raids as could the Bards although the Ranger jobs were usually more active unless the Bard was pulling.

Point is though that in most cases the skill level of the player > the class but at the end of the day, if you have the most skilled players in the most efficient classes for that role it trumped the classes that weren't as effective at performing those roles so a well played Warrior in almost situations is superior to a well played SK / Paladin. It's just the way it is. In most guilds, and that's the beauty of Everquest, the roles were performed by different classes based on which classes the best players in that guild were playing however tanking on raids almost exclusively went to the Warriors.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Grod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of it really comes down to the players and sometimes other players in the group need to adapt. Some tanks you don't need to worry about agro at all and it's efficient and with other tanks you have to hold back on your threat some it's just about knowing how to do it.

The other tactic I posted about building threat FOR the warrior so he can pre-taunt mezzed mobs is something in all likelihood very few tanks would ever think to do so the "reputations" of classes in a lot of times is based on the skill level of the average player of that class and not what exceptional players can accomplish with that class.

The thing is, especially in Kunark, an exceptional warrior will be able to hold agro just as effectively as any of the hybrids with better mitigation and on raids that essentially makes the hybrids obsolete so what happened in MOST top end raiding guilds is that they kept limited spots available for hybrids because there is no reason to bring in multiple SK's/Paladins if they are essentially limited to a DPS role or inferior in the other roles. For example, they aren't the best pulling classes, they aren't the best crowd control class and they aren't the best tanks.

Ironically the hybrids that brought the most to raids were the Bards and Rangers. Bards actually did make excellent pullers and could fill multiple roles and Rangers brought the most versatility although very few guilds used Rangers properly an exceptionally skilled Ranger was a very important addition to a raid. They were probably the best kiting class in game because Snares caused no damage and were high agro (Druids could snare but they were more effectively used as healers and SK snare caused damage which would lead to the mob summoning).

Rangers were also the best class to transition a tank death without a wipe because they had the most reliable agro of the DPS classes through fast casting snares and the longest avoidance discipline with weaponshield so between the tank transitions and kiting they could effectively fill important roles on raids as could the Bards although the Ranger jobs were usually more active unless the Bard was pulling.

Point is though that in most cases the skill level of the player > the class but at the end of the day, if you have the most skilled players in the most efficient classes for that role it trumped the classes that weren't as effective at performing those roles so a well played Warrior in almost situations is superior to a well played SK / Paladin. It's just the way it is. In most guilds, and that's the beauty of Everquest, the roles were performed by different classes based on which classes the best players in that guild were playing however tanking on raids almost exclusively went to the Warriors.

I enjoyed this post.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Grod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of it really comes down to the players and sometimes other players in the group need to adapt. Some tanks you don't need to worry about agro at all and it's efficient and with other tanks you have to hold back on your threat some it's just about knowing how to do it.

The other tactic I posted about building threat FOR the warrior so he can pre-taunt mezzed mobs is something in all likelihood very few tanks would ever think to do so the "reputations" of classes in a lot of times is based on the skill level of the average player of that class and not what exceptional players can accomplish with that class.

The thing is, especially in Kunark, an exceptional warrior will be able to hold agro just as effectively as any of the hybrids with better mitigation and on raids that essentially makes the hybrids obsolete so what happened in MOST top end raiding guilds is that they kept limited spots available for hybrids because there is no reason to bring in multiple SK's/Paladins if they are essentially limited to a DPS role or inferior in the other roles. For example, they aren't the best pulling classes, they aren't the best crowd control class and they aren't the best tanks.

Ironically the hybrids that brought the most to raids were the Bards and Rangers. Bards actually did make excellent pullers and could fill multiple roles and Rangers brought the most versatility although very few guilds used Rangers properly an exceptionally skilled Ranger was a very important addition to a raid. They were probably the best kiting class in game because Snares caused no damage and were high agro (Druids could snare but they were more effectively used as healers and SK snare caused damage which would lead to the mob summoning).

Rangers were also the best class to transition a tank death without a wipe because they had the most reliable agro of the DPS classes through fast casting snares and the longest avoidance discipline with weaponshield so between the tank transitions and kiting they could effectively fill important roles on raids as could the Bards although the Ranger jobs were usually more active unless the Bard was pulling.

Point is though that in most cases the skill level of the player > the class but at the end of the day, if you have the most skilled players in the most efficient classes for that role it trumped the classes that weren't as effective at performing those roles so a well played Warrior in almost situations is superior to a well played SK / Paladin. It's just the way it is. In most guilds, and that's the beauty of Everquest, the roles were performed by different classes based on which classes the best players in that guild were playing however tanking on raids almost exclusively went to the Warriors.

All I see is rangers are stupid

[Grod]

Rangers are actually a really versatile class that could bring a lot to a raid if played correctly. The problem with the class was not the class itself, but the fact that the majority of the people playing the Rangers didn't know how to utilize some of the tools that were given to the class properly and the class got a bad reputation because of it.

It was always humorous to me how powerful that class was (even prior to archery) and how bad the classes reputation was. Most people are probably not even aware as to how good the class can be because they never got to experience or raid alongside a skilled Ranger. Kind of a shame really.

[Nakara]

rangers literally have 1 job:

engage the raid boss with /weaponshield and cast as many flame licks / low level snares as you can before it wears off then let the main tank take over with a giant threat lead