Final Beta Push

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, since you've hit the negatives of a wipe I'll toss in some positives

All RMT plat will be wiped
Due to your join date on the forums I'm going to assume that you werent around for people legally selling their accounts for plat, so, People won't have 10+ accounts with cleric rez sticks and whatever, yes, you probably don't have 10 accounts with a 60 on each but a lot of people from the older guilds do not just because of bought accounts but because when people quit, they give theirs away.
People won't have millions of platinum
I'd imagine at least some of the hardcore players will be casual instead of hardcore
not every one of the people with multiple 60s leveled at the same rate they've just been here longer (server has been up for 5+ years)
No duped platinum, technically blue server is beta
We will be a much better ruleset put in place instead of one that's just been added to that is not classic
Items like pre-nerf fungi staff and manastone will be back in the game to be camped by a new playerbase instead of the 200-250 people we had camping them back at server's beginning.

Now to what you've said

Yeah, gfay will be a sh*t storm, but I think you forget that there's more places to level than just Gfay/CB, For instance qeynos, qeynos hills, Nro, blackburrow, Butcherblock(remember chessboard?), West karana, North karana, everfrost, permafrost, Runnyeye. Those are just some of the alternatives for 1-20.

Serious hardcores, okay, so what they seriously hardcored once before on blue 99 who cares.
If you can't achieve 1-60 in 4-6months, don't whine about others that can, the point of a wipe isn't necessarily to fix raiding. You want another rotation then do another rotation and you'll get your dragon mobs.

But the original reason why I suggested a wipe was because launching a new server has been brought up but people (mostly tmo/bda) didn't like the idea, along with some of the normal player base because they're afraid that too many casuals would change servers which at that point they would essentially lose their years of slaving themselves to a video game to become wealthy inside of it. Reality of the situation is that P99 was most fun to play when the player base was between 300-600 players. With a new wipe or server, you would even seen less duo's/trios because no twink gear for a duo/trio means sitting down for 5-10minutes after every 2-3 kills. What would be okay is at a certain point into the wipe's life say 4 months down the line, that there is a group bonus like red, but not as significant as red's to promote grouping instead of duos/trios.

All good points, there are certainly positives to the negatives. But even if the population does explore every newbie area in the game the first week of a wipe is going to suck. But it's just a week or so, so be it. And if the server gets wiped I'll probably just start over (or not), I won't have any nerd rage over it.

And correct, i just started in December and have a main of level 34 (and one account). I'm a professional engineer and have a few hours a few nights a week to play and a bit more on weekends. I'll never have an impressively geared character or much plat, just here to have fun. I am not even that interested in buying gear with plat i earn in game, I'm enjoying looting gear and questing it myself but I may buy a few peices here and there someday.

I do disagree with you about the inability to play here untwinked, mainly because I have done it. Sure, I'm wearing a raw silk robe right now but so what? i can still participate and do ok. it is harder with a pure melee class though, I get that. But as a caster or priest class it's very doable. I'd rather have an undergeared cleric who knows what he's doing and paying attention in my group than someone who is twinked who is afk have the time and surfing the internet the other half, and for the record I have definitely encountered the later.

Oh, and i certainly wasn't whining about what people can acheieve, I was responding to the person who suggested a wipe in order to fix the broken raid scene. personally i doubt i will ever raid and certainly am not in competition to achieve what someone else can in a 16 year old computer game.

[salimoneus]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, and i certainly wasn't whining about what people can acheieve, I was responding to the person who suggested a wipe in order to fix the broken raid scene. personally i doubt i will ever raid and certainly am not in competition to achieve what someone else can in a 16 year old computer game.

The broken raid scene isn't the only thing that would be improved, there are many other positive things that could come as have been mentioned by others, but the raid scene does seem to be the most obviously broken and visible aspect of the current server. Like you said, you can still XP and find places to group at lower levels, even if the other 5 members of your group are twinked with 50k worth of gear.

I just see entering Velious with the current fleet of alt armies and high level geared toons as going in on easy mode, and continuing down the road of a non-classic experience. In comparison, on some live servers VP was barely even being farmed by the time Velious dropped. On this server, VP has been farmed for how many years now? I just don't see why anyone looking for a true classic experience would want to enter Velious so overpowered, it doesn't seem in the spirit of what Project 1999 is about.

[HalflingWarrior]

Originally Posted by salimoneus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The broken raid scene isn't the only thing that would be improved, there are many other positive things that could come as have been mentioned by others, but the raid scene does seem to be the most obviously broken and visible aspect of the current server. Like you said, you can still XP and find places to group at lower levels, even if the other 5 members of your group are twinked with 50k worth of gear.

I just see entering Velious with the current fleet of alt armies and high level geared toons as going in on easy mode, and continuing down the road of a non-classic experience. In comparison, on some live servers VP was barely even being farmed by the time Velious dropped. On this server, VP has been farmed for how many years now? I just don't see why anyone looking for a true classic experience would want to enter Velious so overpowered, it doesn't seem in the spirit of what Project 1999 is about.

This would be my only real argument against the current state of the server

On my server, Tallon Zek, I don't believe any one of the top three guilds had killed a single dragon in VP before Velious released; and Velious was still conquerable.

Not only do we have immense amounts of knowledge regarding the Velious expansion now, that we didn't have back then, we also have entire guilds full of mains AND alts that are fully VP-geared at this point.

Velious is gonna be conquered very quickly would be my estimation!

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All good points, there are certainly positives to the negatives. But even if the population does explore every newbie area in the game the first week of a wipe is going to suck. But it's just a week or so, so be it. And if the server gets wiped I'll probably just start over (or not), I won't have any nerd rage over it.

And correct, i just started in December and have a main of level 34 (and one account). I'm a professional engineer and have a few hours a few nights a week to play and a bit more on weekends. I'll never have an impressively geared character or much plat, just here to have fun. I am not even that interested in buying gear with plat i earn in game, I'm enjoying looting gear and questing it myself but I may buy a few peices here and there someday.

I do disagree with you about the inability to play here untwinked, mainly because I have done it. Sure, I'm wearing a raw silk robe right now but so what? i can still participate and do ok. it is harder with a pure melee class though, I get that. But as a caster or priest class it's very doable. I'd rather have an undergeared cleric who knows what he's doing and paying attention in my group than someone who is twinked who is afk have the time and surfing the internet the other half, and for the record I have definitely encountered the later.

Oh, and i certainly wasn't whining about what people can acheieve, I was responding to the person who suggested a wipe in order to fix the broken raid scene. personally i doubt i will ever raid and certainly am not in competition to achieve what someone else can in a 16 year old computer game.

If there would be a wipe, sure the first week will feel like the first week that original EQ came out. That's not really a bad thing. You can disagree with me all you would like about playing here untwinked, you're practically a newborn here since you started in december, you're experiencing p99 for the first time. I've been here since the start of the server, believe me when I say there's a difference in the level of fun/classic between starting a new character that is in nothing but rags but seeing others who are twinked every 30 feet to starting in rags and seeing everybody else in the same.

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there would be a wipe, sure the first week will feel like the first week that original EQ came out. That's not really a bad thing. You can disagree with me all you would like about playing here untwinked, you're practically a newborn here since you started in december, you're experiencing p99 for the first time. I've been here since the start of the server, believe me when I say there's a difference in the level of fun/classic between starting a new character that is in nothing but rags but seeing others who are twinked every 30 feet to starting in rags and seeing everybody else in the same.

I congratulate you for being on P99 from the beginning. However, I played live like everyone else, so you don't need to explain the game to me or what it's like to play without twinks. Sure, I'm new to P99 but not EQ. When I played live there were not twinks like there are now, I experienced all that just like you did. But thanks for explaining it all, none of us that are newer here had any idea what the original game was like. The bottom line is you can play here untwinked right now and have fun if you want to. Maybe you can't but it's possible for some people to do it.

And a wipe would not be like when the original EQ came out because at orginal launch most people had no idea what the game content was; sure maybe a few people did beta but most were clueless. This time you would have a very large number of people all starting at the same time who knew exactly what to do,where to go, etc.

[salimoneus]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And a wipe would not be like when the original EQ came out because at orginal launch most people had no idea what the game content was; sure maybe a few people did beta but most were clueless. This time you would have a very large number of people all starting at the same time who knew exactly what to do,where to go, etc.

I think it's safe to say that most players on P99 have at least some experience on the original, with most being in the more experienced camp. I don't think anyone suggested that a wipe would be some magical time machine back to when it was all noobs, so I'm not sure what your angle is with that argument because this seems fairly obvious to me.

What can be done though is to create the most classic experience possible, and if everyone was in cloth with rusty short swords, regardless of experience, it would go a long way towards that goal. That's great you enjoy playing with a bunch of lower level twinks, but again it's not classic.

And I still haven't heard anyone comment on why they would want to enter Velious basically in ez mode with a bunch of overgeared 60s. Oh that's right you aren't interested in the end game raiding. Which to me sorta limits the credibility of your arguments because you are dismissing a major aspect of the game.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I congratulate you for being on P99 from the beginning. However, I played live like everyone else, so you don't need to explain the game to me or what it's like to play without twinks. Sure, I'm new to P99 but not EQ. When I played live there were not twinks like there are now, I experienced all that just like you did. But thanks for explaining it all, none of us that are newer here had any idea what the original game was like. The bottom line is you can play here untwinked right now and have fun if you want to. Maybe you can't but it's possible for some people to do it.

And a wipe would not be like when the original EQ came out because at orginal launch most people had no idea what the game content was; sure maybe a few people did beta but most were clueless. This time you would have a very large number of people all starting at the same time who knew exactly what to do,where to go, etc.

People in the original beta had a leg up on those who weren't.

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by salimoneus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's safe to say that most players on P99 have at least some experience on the original, with most being in the more experienced camp. I don't think anyone suggested that a wipe would be some magical time machine back to when it was all noobs, so I'm not sure what your angle is with that argument because this seems fairly obvious to me.

What can be done though is to create the most classic experience possible, and if everyone was in cloth with rusty short swords, regardless of experience, it would go a long way towards that goal. That's great you enjoy playing with a bunch of lower level twinks, but again it's not classic.

And I still haven't heard anyone comment on why they would want to enter Velious basically in ez mode with a bunch of overgeared 60s. Oh that's right you aren't interested in the end game raiding. Which to me sorta limits the credibility of your arguments because you are dismissing a major aspect of the game.

High end game raiding was never really a major part of the game, it was high profile but the vast majority of players never did it. You saying it's major doesn't make it so. And for the record, I raided in a guild that did all the high end Velious, Luclin and PoP content. But my guildmates and I were a very small minority of players. How many people out of the entire playerbase every set foot in Vex Thal or the Plane of Time? 2%? 5%?

My thoughts have the same credibility of everyone else's on this thread; exactly zero. The only opinion that matters at all is the Developers of this Project.

I actually don't mind at all if they wipe the server, I have very little to personally lose. I was just pointing out that it's not really going to solve anything in the end. I'm done doing that.

Cheers.

[Vilkata]

Was the Beta pushed off a cliff? Cant find it.

[wycca]

Beta up!!!