Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

toolshed · #1 03-10-2015, 02:49 PM

GM decisions are their own and you guys have no reason to listen to any of us on this stuff, but....

I just wanted to say that you would have support if you guys decided that raid suspensions should get longer every time a guild was suspended. A guild that has been suspended 6 times should be treated differently than a guild that has never been suspended.

Maybe increase the suspension by one week for every time they have been suspended before? 1 week for first suspension, mandatory 2 week suspension for their second infraction, 3 weeks for their third, etc. Yes, a guild that has been suspended FOUR TIMES should be raid banned for a month - that is taking it lightly.

This would have a couple of effects: 1) guilds that continually shit on the community and break the rules are punished more harshly, 2) make a guild less likely to break the rules since they know they have a limited times to 'mess up', 3) if a new guild does not know the rules and genuinely makes a mistake, they will not be punished as hard as a guild that is continually making the same 'mistakes'

Flamewraith · #2 03-10-2015, 02:59 PM

I like this, but maybe add diminishing effects over time? Like if a guild is banned thee times over three months, however for every two months they go clean their next sentence is reduced by a week.

Ezalor · #3 03-10-2015, 03:06 PM

Reeses_007 · #4 03-10-2015, 03:14 PM

Daldaen · #5 03-10-2015, 03:17 PM

I agree with you, but more importantly... I'd like to see:

Suspensions for entire respawn cycles. The whole "Next Class X Nagafen" suspension is ridiculous. It doesn't deter the behavior at all. Make them lose an entire week of every single mob spawns.

And help me understand the VP suspension TMO has. They are suspended Monday-Friday from VP. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't all Raid mobs spawning Saturday/Sunday except for Vox and Gore? Are there any VP mobs that bleed into Monday?

Reeses_007 · #6 03-10-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you, but more importantly... I'd like to see:

Suspensions for entire respawn cycles. The whole "Next Class X Nagafen" suspension is ridiculous. It doesn't deter the behavior at all. Make them lose an entire week of every single mob spawns.

And help me understand the VP suspension TMO has. They are suspended Monday-Friday from VP. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't all Raid mobs spawning Saturday/Sunday except for Vox and Gore? Are there any VP mobs that bleed into Monday?

That's correct lol. Suspended Monday-Friday! Man what a punishment! They must be so upset to be missing all those spawns!

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toolshed · #7 03-10-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you, but more importantly... I'd like to see:

Suspensions for entire respawn cycles. The whole "Next Class X Nagafen" suspension is ridiculous. It doesn't deter the behavior at all. Make them lose an entire week of every single mob spawns.

And help me understand the VP suspension TMO has. They are suspended Monday-Friday from VP. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't all Raid mobs spawning Saturday/Sunday except for Vox and Gore? Are there any VP mobs that bleed into Monday?

I agree that the respawn cycles should be built into the rules, but please let us keep this thread about future modifications to the raid rules and not about the semantics about past suspensions.

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Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about 1 random BIS item deleted off a random guild member per infraction [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking about adding a "100k pp fine per infraction" or something to the OP, but I think that would incentivize RMT. Having a monetary (plat) fine would be very similar to how the NFL/NBA does fines, but I think that fine would have to be in addition to any type of raid suspension from raiding.

Tiggles · #8 03-10-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM decisions are their own and you guys have no reason to listen to any of us on this stuff, but....

I just wanted to say that you would have support if you guys decided that raid suspensions should get longer every time a guild was suspended. A guild that has been suspended 6 times should be treated differently than a guild that has never been suspended.

Maybe increase the suspension by one week for every time they have been suspended before? 1 week for first suspension, mandatory 2 week suspension for their second infraction, 3 weeks for their third, etc. Yes, a guild that has been suspended FOUR TIMES should be raid banned for a month - that is taking it lightly.

This would have a couple of effects: 1) guilds that continually shit on the community and break the rules are punished more harshly, 2) make a guild less likely to break the rules since they know they have a limited times to 'mess up', 3) if a new guild does not know the rules and genuinely makes a mistake, they will not be punished as hard as a guild that is continually making the same 'mistakes'

Nah

Loke · #9 03-10-2015, 03:38 PM

You guys act like suspensions are the result of players maliciously plotting to break the rules, when in actuality it is usually simple mistakes or single members not understanding some of the ridiculously complicated, ever changing, subjective, and poorly documented rules.

It seems like every few weeks there is some random person chiming in with their own brand of how to fix the raid scene, when 9 times out of 10 they aren't part of the raid scene and have no idea what is actually going on. I have no idea who the OP is, but a system like that makes absolutely no sense for at least the class C guilds (I can't speak to class R since I haven't paid attention to what is going on with them).

Not only that, but this change would result in rule lawyering becoming more important as guilds try to get out of suspensions and get their competition suspended.

toolshed · #10 03-10-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys act like suspensions are the result of players maliciously plotting to break the rules, when in actuality it is usually simple mistakes or single members not understanding some of the ridiculously complicated, ever changing, subjective, and poorly documented rules.

I agree that the rules are overly complicated, but transparency in raid suspensions themselves would help in understanding what to do and what not to do.

And I doubt that TMO and IB are having their brand new members pull mobs to their raids. People in these guilds know what they are doing and the ignorance-excuse is pretty appalling considering how old this game is and how long we have been playing it. You kind of made my point though: TMO and IB would be more cautious in regards to pulling/raiding in general if they knew that the stakes were higher.

The top guilds know what the rules are man, lets just be honest. The top guilds helped write the rules.

PS - I have no idea who you are either. The difference between us that I don't care who you are.