the server, loot and the way things are

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...the average player in p99 is a complete epic failure at playing EFFICIENTLY never mind being a decent raider.

So why is that? Fact is that most of them don't bother doing research on the most basic things and we witness the following:

(16 examples)

I could go on forever... you've all seen these players. Now here's the funnier part they end up 46+. Then we witness the following in raids.

(7 more examples)

So scrub player A hits 46+. The kind that never in a million years would make the cut in any self respecting raiding guild is now being humped by 8+ guilds. DA has shown the way. They are on top of the food chain because they were the first to mass invite half the server. Every other raiding guild joined the mass invite bandwagon afterwards.


Then these scrubs act all high and mighty. Kind of like 10 butt ugly chick getting constantly hit on by 80 + horny boys. It doesn't matter how ugly they are, apparently as long as you have boobs and a hole it's all good (sorry for the terribly crude analogy).

So yes, it may not look like much but it does take skill to play this game. It's sad when the so called top end raiding guilds all have to go down on their knees to recruit the shittiest players the server has to offer. Seriously, I may no longer be killing dragons at this time but at least I don't have to put up with that anymore.

On a side note, I have NOTHING against casual gamers. We all have different ways to enjoy EQ. My way of fun may not be yours. That being said, don't @#$@$@# apply to a top end raiding guild and call yourself a raider when you're not going to dedicate on becoming a better player. Past playing experience means nothing, so what you were a scrub in a former uber guild. I've witnessed new players who are already above average and end up being great at the game. It's all about how they approach the game. I just hate the posers who say all the right things but end up doing nothing. The worst are when those posers join a zerg guild and talk so much smack on the forums...

Shrug. My initial understanding was that you were directing this at people that weren't up your standard, you know, on raids.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes both guilds were waiting on noble to spawn, we each had the 1 week timer and instead of fighting over it every week we decided to rotate it on a weekly basis, we had got i the week before so da got the noble of the night after we made a deal to rotate.

imo this is far better than having both guilds convene an hour before hes due, sky mobs are not on a variance, and sit half their raid on the spawn point then argue for an hour over who agrod first and who tried to ks whom.

It was a good example of how things can be handled in a civil manner with respectful guilds.

[Ponden]

DA will miss noble's next pop, but IB will be there!

[Molitoth]

Molitoth, you had 19 and you got him to <5%. And, let's be honest, you caved in and sold out.

Well, 4 of those characters were dual boxed by people who have already been banned for boxing. Thats why I said 15. Put real people focusing all thier effort on those characters and Inny was a dead boss.

Yes, Eminence sold out. It was a smart move.

[Dach]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes both guilds were waiting on noble to spawn, we each had the 1 week timer and instead of fighting over it every week we decided to rotate it on a weekly basis, we had got i the week before so da got the noble of the night after we made a deal to rotate.

imo this is far better than having both guilds convene an hour before hes due, sky mobs are not on a variance, and sit half their raid on the spawn point then argue for an hour over who agrod first and who tried to ks whom.

This!

Developers, take notice. Classic static situations can and do work.

Variance is not classic and is a cheap cop out.

An invisible guide as a witness for poor behavior at god and dragon raids and consequences for that behavior could go a long ways and still be classic, but the nobel rotation above is a fine example of how things can and should work.

Completely player arranged.

That's what I'm talking about.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was a good example of how things can be handled in a civil manner with respectful guilds.

I agree and personally would like to see more of it, when multiple guilds are waiting for a spawn to strike a quick deal you get this one we get next one.

It doesn't need to be a set in stone rotation of week 1 guild a gets it week 2 guild b gets it, but giving up a mob one week to have one less guild to compete with, not a guaranteed kill by any means just that the guild you made an agreement with will honor.

After guild a gets theres and guild b gets theres then it can go back to full competition, and since most mobs are on a variance on the 3rd cycle respawn Should be varied enough that either guild would have equal chances to spot him up first and race.

not a rotation or raid fix suggestion by any means, just thoughts on how a little civility could ease all this drama and spread the wealth...

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love it when people debate about "skill" in EQ... Yes the game is old, yes there's thousands of web resources on any encounter, yes the game is not as micro intensive as some of the latest mmo. Yet despite how EASY it is to play EQ, the average player in p99 is a complete epic failure at playing EFFICIENTLY never mind being a decent raider.

So why is that? Fact is that most of them don't bother doing research on the most basic things and we witness the following:

1. Mmm i didn't buy that spell, didn't realize we could do that.
2. Umm... how do i get to you guys? I don't know the zone.
3. Ummm how do i get to the zone? I'm in EC and don't know the way to there.
4. Can you give me str,dex,agi,ac,every resist,ultravision,levitate before i fight?
5. I will buff you str,dex,agi,ac,every resist and be at 10m before pulls.
6. I'm an FD class but don't know how to pull, oh wait i don't even know the zone so i really don't even know where to pull from.
7. Assist? Wat? Dude it was beating on the cleric so i hit the mezzed target, chill and re-mez it.
8. Assist? Wat Wut? Dude the MT keeps flipping target every 2 sec and i cannot even read group chat to stay on 1 mob.
9. Hi, i like to keep auto attacking to death on a mob that has a DS on it. OMG i died @#$@$@# healers.
10. Hi, i like to stand around melee mobs that are rooted even though they tell me to move. Dude i need to cap my defense rating chill.
11. Remember this is just a game, so what you waited an hour before you formed up a party to go in. So what you spent 15min invising to camp, so what 1 of the r tards got lost because they went ninja afk, so what we're finally in camp and the r tard pulls 3 caster mob and group wipes, so what that half of the group goes afk while doing CR. This is a GAME chill! Cause i like wasting time.
12. Hi, i don't understand why i can't nuke immediately when we have a war for a tank.
13. Mob is beating on me, get it off! Wat's root? Dude I'm a cleric! I don't mem shit like root, i got gate memmed so i can rez you guys after we wipe.
14. Loc? sorry I don't know how to use Loc, can you come get me?
15. Mmmm don't know where i died, it should be around there. Lol what you want me to hit loc before i die? Why?
16. Dude i'm a mage, be glad i'm sending pet on a mob. You want me to what? keep up a ds? actually nuke? hit an assist macro so i'm on right mob? Visually see that my pet is on right mob in case assist got flipped? WTF is wrong with you, let me watch tv in the background. FYI my pet can tank and kill these just fine, the fact the tank will get beat on for another 30 sec and make the healer waste 4 heals is irrelevant.

I could go on forever... you've all seen these players. Now here's the funnier part they end up 46+. Then we witness the following in raids.

1. Umm sorry i got lost where are you guys? Can you come get me even though I've been in hate and fear 94 times already but still don't know my way.
2. Stop yelling at me 8 times, I know my pet keeps breaking mezzes but i choose not to send it on right target because that's how I roll. If we had a zerg force of 50 players it wouldn't matter if i broke mez so get more players kk.
3. Hi i like to afk 95% of the time while we're raiding. You need something specific like me attacking, sending pet, buffing then send me a tell otherwise i won't do shit.
4. Ummm what do you mean cancel my comp heal? Dude tank was dying! Wut do you mean other clerics are also comp healing?
5. Hi, I like to keep remezzing the same mob every 10 sec cause you know mobs can break before mez duration.
6. What I gotta wait for a tank to break mez? Why's that.
7. Umm guys I lost my pet and don't know where it went. Not even sure when I lost my pet lol. Oh there he is, he brought some friends.

Now the really hilarious part. Every guild on p99 except those that profess on being casual says the same shit on their website.

1. We are dedicated
2. We know wtf we're doing
3. We got a strong core
4. We pew pew stuff, don't you want phat loot
5. We don't know what drama is

So scrub player A hits 46+. The kind that never in a million years would make the cut in any self respecting raiding guild is now being humped by 8+ guilds. DA has shown the way. They are on top of the food chain because they were the first to mass invite half the server. Every other raiding guild joined the mass invite bandwagon afterwards.

1. Hey, we're awesome you want to join our guild?
2. Hey, we need your class, you'll get phat loot and don't need to do squat.

Then these scrubs act all high and mighty. Kind of like 10 butt ugly chick getting constantly hit on by 80 + horny boys. It doesn't matter how ugly they are, apparently as long as you have boobs and a hole it's all good (sorry for the terribly crude analogy).

So yes, it may not look like much but it does take skill to play this game. It's sad when the so called top end raiding guilds all have to go down on their knees to recruit the shittiest players the server has to offer. Seriously, I may no longer be killing dragons at this time but at least I don't have to put up with that anymore.

On a side note, I have NOTHING against casual gamers. We all have different ways to enjoy EQ. My way of fun may not be yours. That being said, don't @#$@$@# apply to a top end raiding guild and call yourself a raider when you're not going to dedicate on becoming a better player. Past playing experience means nothing, so what you were a scrub in a former uber guild. I've witnessed new players who are already above average and end up being great at the game. It's all about how they approach the game. I just hate the posers who say all the right things but end up doing nothing. The worst are when those posers join a zerg guild and talk so much smack on the forums...

This post is epic. It perfectly describes... everything. Just, wow. I'd make it my sig if it wasn't so long.

Honestly, there is such a thing as skill in eq. The point isn't that it's a big achievement to have skill, but rather that it's absolutely pathetic to not have skill. For example, when DA invited me on the hate clear recently, I realized that Slathar was an idiot when he gated after the raid was done rather than porting out the people who didn't have gate. This is just an unfathomably obviously stupid thing that you don't do (since the consequence is leaving people up in Hate with few ways of getting out). I have no deeper point other than that it's hilarious when Slathar says stuff like this:

Originally Posted by Slathar

...

Some of you really should take a step back and look at how stupid you sound.

edit: this post is directed at people attempting to start an argument about skill (lol skill in eq, we can all press buttons.)

I have nothing but nice things to say about the other people on the raid, but as far as Slathar is concerned, I think he should reconsider whether skill exists in eq and whether he has any.

[jeffd]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eminence couldn't compete and sold out.

yeah.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post is epic. It perfectly describes... everything. Just, wow. I'd make it my sig if it wasn't so long.

Honestly, there is such a thing as skill in eq. The point isn't that it's a big achievement to have skill, but rather that it's absolutely pathetic to not have skill. For example, when DA invited me on the hate clear recently, I realized that Slathar was an idiot when he gated after the raid was done rather than porting out the people who didn't have gate. This is just an unfathomably obviously stupid thing that you don't do (since the consequence is leaving people up in Hate with few ways of getting out). I have no deeper point other than that it's hilarious when Slathar says stuff like this:



I have nothing but nice things to say about the other people on the raid, but as far as Slathar is concerned, I think he should reconsider whether skill exists in eq and whether he has any.

i left an hour before the raid ended, nice try though.

also, you're the best bard on project1999. you have so much skill i am very impressed by it. congrats.

[Rhambuk]

Wrei hit it spot on, a class can do the bare minimum and still be able to play that class "well" but there are players that have skill and know what to do that take it to a completely new level.

To say that eq takes no skill is nonsense, not every enchanter can solo efreeti I've met a handful that can and it wasn't because of their gear, it was because they knew how to play their class.

There are a TON of little tricks classes have that when utilized make them what they truly are, instead people want a hotkey to do it for them and since its unavailable they cry.