Let's talk about natural progression here.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You only get the car if someone MQs it to you.

depends on the car. 1988 Chevy Chevette or Bentley Mulsanne?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

depends on the car. 1988 Chevy Chevette or Bentley Mulsanne?

depends on who is your daddy and what does he do?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok Ayn Rand, you can take your economics arguments back to your 401 theory class. I am here to have fun and enjoy the game, not argue Milton Friedman.

I will argue with the main point that you made, that if you have the money you should be able to buy what you want. Sure, non no drop items. That is a relevant point. Non-no drop items, such as epics. Which are made to bring guilds together and form a raid atmosphere that is the jest of a fun and enjoyable experience on the game. That is why epics exist and the idea that you can get one at level 1 is an exploit. You are not entitled to an epic, you pass a test. Just as you are not entitled to drive a car, you pass a test.

I am not singling the blame out at anyone. I am just trying to be constructive that a change in the MQ structure might be good for the server. Think of me as an opinionated beta tester stating my opinion. If you want to flame me, go for it. It doesn't mean my opinion isnt that of a large majority of the players and it should not be held in consideration.

I am here to have fun too, just as everyone else is. We all have our own ideas of what that is and it would be unreasonable to assume there is no variation, as I am sure you would agree . As it stands everyone is capable of procuring an epic given they invest enough (time being the relevant currency). What you propose would not only deny some people access to the epic entirely , it would also deny people of a source of revenue that they have gained access to through investment in their character (which is oddly what you aim to reward by limiting MQ).

In your driver's license analogy, you equate the epic reward to a driver's license and that is fine, but you should understand that there are hazards associated with operating a vehicle, the like of which are nowhere present our game.

Also, the analogy does not reflect the reality of the MQ situation in its entirety. To do that we would need to amend it such that only persons who's incomes exceed $50k a year (equating salary or rate of pay with EQ rate of play, or time investment) and belong to a church, fraternity, or other civic/social group may qualify to take a driving exam. That is more akin to how epic quests were designed. Player ingenuity however has broadened the market, by offering alternative paths of advancement via comparable, but more diversified qualification criteria. ^^ I think that is a beautiful thing.

What you are advocating would benefit none while harming others. As it stands everyone can attain their epic given sufficient work, just as anyone in the free world can drive a Ferrari given sufficient work. ^^

[Swish]

No analogy fits.

The point is people should be able to do their epic free from people MQ'ing for profit imo.

Everyone hates that stance because it's become the norm for gathering tunnelquest tokens.

[FadedVision]

I am not going to argue free market solutions in an area that should not be argued. This is a game to have fun, not a dissertation on capitalism in the world. I know you won't understand that, you will probably diagnose my idea of "fun" and weather or not it impedes others "fun" but I have done this dance before and I don't care to continue this circle jerk.

My last point is this, you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned, you did not have cell phones because the cell phone did not exist during Kunark(for 90% of people), and on my server we did not farm the dragons w/ 52s. Perhaps you did on your server. Every server was different. There is a gluttony of riches on this server and those who run the mobs/spawns are basically winning the argument and tearing down/shouting down different opinions. That is probably why this EQ is full of greedy people, all the normal people left.

[maskedmelon]

The population has been growing steadily over the past two years or so actually. As for having fun and not looking to debate economics, you are the one who interrupted our peaceful discussions of mmo food service seems, RMT, classic mechanics and keyboard macros with your cries for the fist of authority (not that it is all that uncommon) to aid you in purging our wavering community of the scourge of greed lest it consume us all and alienate the true of heart like you.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling for an end to 'greed' so that you can get something while taking from others when nobody loses under the current system. That's not greedy? If not, it is still malignant in one form or another. I don't think that is your intent though after having talked with you and hope you find time to think it over.

I think we've a fine community and we all get frustrated at one point or another, but taking from others is not the solution. Rest well, work hard and you will be happy ^^

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody loses under the current system.

At least you're both saying things that aren't true!

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least you're both saying things that aren't true!

Don't stop there! Elaborate ^^ Who cannot obtain an epic under the current system? Hmmm?

[Paleman]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not going to argue free market solutions in an area that should not be argued. This is a game to have fun, not a dissertation on capitalism in the world. I know you won't understand that, you will probably diagnose my idea of "fun" and weather or not it impedes others "fun" but I have done this dance before and I don't care to continue this circle jerk.

My last point is this, you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned, you did not have cell phones because the cell phone did not exist during Kunark(for 90% of people), and on my server we did not farm the dragons w/ 52s. Perhaps you did on your server. Every server was different. There is a gluttony of riches on this server and those who run the mobs/spawns are basically winning the argument and tearing down/shouting down different opinions. That is probably why this EQ is full of greedy people, all the normal people left.

its a fuckin game bro. Everyone wants to win. This game has contested mobs and other things that people race to get. Just like any game, you, and others compete to win and get the prize.

No one disagrees with your ideas of what fun is to you. Its just a fact that p99 isnt your idea of fun. If the majority wanted what you wanted then obviously shit would be different. Nearly all of this stuff existed. MQs always existed, and I never remember anyone getting banned for it. I Pled for plat all the time on live and never got banned. Hell at age 16 i scammed someone for 50k and never got banned. The GMs here are way harder on players here than on live for sure. As for batphones, those may have not existed but I sure as hell had a beeper during kunark/velious to do NtoV and other contested places. So the ability to do the same existed.

EQ is full of people, some even keeled, some are trying to game the system, some are tying to just irritate others. Its an existential representation of real life but with fantasy elements, mostly because it was created by people who existed in real life because last I checked there is no dimensional portal to a fantasy world on earth. If there was earth would be rather vacant.

even though I agree that the state of blue is sad, your arguments suck man. Its just a butthurt yell because you arent part of what you would do if you were at the level of others.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My last point is this, you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned, you did not have cell phones because the cell phone did not exist during Kunark(for 90% of people), and on my server we did not farm the dragons w/ 52s. Perhaps you did on your server. Every server was different. There is a gluttony of riches on this server and those who run the mobs/spawns are basically winning the argument and tearing down/shouting down different opinions. That is probably why this EQ is full of greedy people, all the normal people left.

Couldn't auction MQ and PL on live? People sold MQs and PL all the time without getting banned.