Pros and cons of rotation

[harnold]

Still waiting for a single con, if anyone can come up with one

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by harnold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-is CLASSIC (this was done on some servers back in the day, this is a classic server, right?)

Never seen that on any classic era server. Typically when a guild zoned in, and saw another guild about to pull, they just waited for them to wipe or left them to it. I suppose this is more of an honourable gentlemanly agreement.

However I only truly raided endgame on one server, so possible that Xev was just a cut above all the 'other' servers /smugface.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Stormfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never seen that on any classic era server. Typically when a guild zoned in, and saw another guild about to pull, they just waited for them to wipe or left them to it. I suppose this is more of an honourable gentlemanly agreement.
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doh~

I played on Xev at times & concur to seeing a gentleman's agreement type system.

[harnold]

The majority did not use a rotation. It was only like 2-3 servers. I dont remember which, but I think prexus may have been one of them.

But make no mistake about it, the over the top rediculous system we have here is the furthest from anything on any of the classic servers

[Stormfists]

Xev wasn't rotation OR poopsock, more so:

- Whoever positioned/readied for pull first got first attempt.
- If they wiped, whoever zoned in second got a try.
- If they wiped also, back to first guild or third guild in waiting.

The only problem with a system like this on P99 is the absence of adult / gentlemanly behavior.

When poopsock/rotations is all you know, poopsock/rotations is all you do.

Pras.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Stormfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xev wasn't rotation OR poopsock, more so:

- Whoever positioned/readied for pull first got first attempt.
- If they wiped, whoever zoned in second got a try.
- If they wiped also, back to first guild or third guild in waiting.

The only problem with a system like this on P99 is the absence of adult / gentlemanly behavior.

When poopsock/rotations is all you know, poopsock/rotations is all you do.

Pras.

well how dare you? (j-k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A3WEMPZJD8

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by harnold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The majority did not use a rotation. It was only like 2-3 servers. I dont remember which, but I think prexus may have been one of them.

But make no mistake about it, the over the top rediculous system we have here is the furthest from anything on any of the classic servers

I know Karana (my server) and The Rathe had rotations. They were completely player-made and player-enforced. The GMs were completely hands-off.

Now I didn't start playing on live until the very end of Kunark and did not really get into raiding until Velious, but I am pretty sure these 2 servers did not have rotations pre-Velious. Also, when they did adopt the rotations they were only for Classic and Kunark content. No current-expansion content was rotated.

The rotations were divided into tiers with a "gatekeeper" (not Gorenaire though, that's just really silly). We even had hate/fear/sky zones on the rotation. The difference was that the upper guilds dropped off the lower tiers because they really didn't need drops from them anymore, and concentrated on the "better" mobs.

When the high end guilds showed up at the same FFA content, this happened:

Originally Posted by Stormfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

- Whoever positioned/readied for pull first got first attempt.
- If they wiped, whoever zoned in second got a try.
- If they wiped also, back to first guild or third guild in waiting.

I don't remember training / FTE / KSing / stalling with a warrior and BP cleric / heckling / getting someone else's tracker killed or banished on purpose, etc. We treated each other with respect and that made the lower guilds look up to us and aspire to join, instead of ganking stuff out from under them and being complete assholes. We could have done that if we wanted to, in a heartbeat, but we felt that taking the high road was far better than pixels for a 7th alt.

Originally Posted by Stormfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only problem with a system like this on P99 is the absence of adult / gentlemanly behavior.

This is exactly correct.

[Man0warr]

Servers didn't really need a rotation for post Velious content - there was so much content that the raid guilds naturally formed themselves into tiers based on their gear progression. But people were also pretty adult towards each other too.

The only reason Kunark/Classic content was rotated on The Rathe for a long long time is almost all because of epic quests. Also because stuff like CT/Inny/VP got revamped with better rewards.

Difference here is there are way more raid guilds, and TMO decided to use their alts to control all content on the server for over 2 years instead of being grown ups and sharing. Which caused the raid scene to be so hateful and toxic that revenge guilds like IB/FE came into existence and eventually the petitionquest forced Rogean to make changes.

[Stormfists]

Lets face the music...

If Rogean & Co wanted the current raiding scene fixed to be fairer for all rather than top heavy, they would have put something into place long ago or created trustworthy impartial and objective 'raid guide' programme to manage equality in their absence. In fact there are a million and one ways it could be better than it is now but the thurth is that management see nothing wrong, so aren't planning on changing it. And theres absolutely nothing wrong with their stance, after all its their server - we are merely guests.

...But hey, it's a song I like to dance to; got my poopsock aimed and ready!