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[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They do a heck of a lot better job than your survey did ...

It wasn't a "survey," it was a data analysis by the bureau of labor statistics. You're probably going to have to elaborate before you dismiss the fucking Pew Research Center as a non credible source.

[Formshifter]

Credible doesnt mean you agree with it, Loramin.

[loramin]

I wanted to do a point by point breakdown like normal, but I'm at work and short on time so ...

No, I'm not dismissing the entire Pew Research Center. All I did was point out that the blog post of one member of that organization: A) didn't make the point you thought it was making, B) even if it was making that point, which it wasn't, there was zero evidence to support it.

Again, it's very simple. The claim was that:
A) women get paid less (we all agree on this part)
B) women take more time off (again, we all agree on this)

but now here's the really important part:

C) B) is the sole cause of A)

The author of the article herself even said that C) was not true, so I don't understand why y'all are having such a hard time with it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasn't a "survey," it was a data analysis by the bureau of labor statistics. You're probably going to have to elaborate before you dismiss the fucking Pew Research Center as a non credible source.

There were two parts. Part A) was that women get paid less, and the author did determine that by looking at the Bureau of Labor study. But again, no one disputes the fact that women get paid less, so this wasn't the relevant part.

Then there was part B), that woman took more time off, and that was based on a survey:

In spite of its narrowing, the gender pay gap persists. Why is this? In our survey, women were more likely to say they had taken career interruptions to care for their family.

As I keep explaining though, a survey that shows women take more time of does not show that that's the reason they get paid less. You would need some sort of study that controls for other factors and then actually shows that whatever factor (in this case time off) is responsible for whatever percentage of the income gap.

Meanwhile I provided a study that showed exactly that, and found that 73% of the pay gap was caused by factors other than occupation/parenthood/time off/etc., or in other words that it was caused by discrimination. The only thing anyone has had to say about it is that it's a few years old, as if that completely invalidates it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is that you have to know your pooled participants - which we don't - and that is easily manipulated. I had to do surveys in college as well I can tell you I wasn't truthful on all of them and I doubt I'm the only one especially when you're young and filling them out around your friends. 'Force' being ill-defined makes it ambiguous and can mean any form of force that your brain can think up. Most people don't take random surveys as serious as college entrance exams if they even take them at all.

Fair point, college kids are dumb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But like I said I was just giving an example with that study, so if people want to hate on it I'm happy to drop it (there's plenty of other ways to demonstrate that there is some element of "rape culture" in American culture).

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the 1 in 6 number, I'm assuming you're referring to the 1995-1996 'Violence against women survey' published by the National Institute of Justice in 1998. There is a lot of interesting information there and some of it seems legit.

There have been several reasonably recent studies looking at the issue (which is why I keep saying that the exact number varies depending on who you ask). But yes that's certainly a good one.

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was impressed with the directness of the questions until I got to the last one in the 'rape' section. 'Has anyone, male of female, ever attempted to make you have vaginal, oral, or anal sex against your will but intercourse or penetration did not occur?'

Ok, but it does matter if a guy tries to rape a woman and isn't successful right? Attempted rapes are still valuable information if you want to talk about rape in our society. So you can quibble over the exact wording of that particular study, and maybe it could be clearer, but I don't fault them for trying to find relevant information out.

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting fact from the survey: You are almost twice as likely to be the recipient of rape if you are an American Indian or Alaskan Native than if you're black. Check the facts and see what I did there.

This is because of a sad legal reality. The way the laws used to work (I think they're working to fix this so it's probably less true now) a non-native American man could rape a Native American woman, and as long as it happened on the reservation there was no way to prosecute him as long as he made it off the reservation.

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. <3 loramin for being a good sport.

Aww thanks, <3 you too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Orruar]

Don't worry loramin, the guys upstairs tell me that with just 6 more months of your tireless SJW work, you'll be rewarded with all the women you can handle. They're only queue'ing up a couple to start, but I told them they'd need at least a half dozen more ready to go.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't worry loramin, the guys upstairs tell me that with just 6 more months of your tireless SJW work, you'll be rewarded with all the women you can handle. They're only queue'ing up a couple to start, but I told them they'd need at least a half dozen more ready to go.

That sounds like rape to me.

[Formshifter]

Jesus christ she's still going.


Loramin, youre at work at the job you chose after going to the school of your choice, and going out with your girlfriends doesnt look like[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So maybe consider the possibility that you arent oppressed, youre just an imbecile.

[Whirled]

reminds me of a song I once heard...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4uBEUX0gM

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reminds me of a song I once heard...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4uBEUX0gM

Funny.. The who rape culture claim reminded me of a song, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS2T3RZEo7s