The plight of the Kagatob

[Raev]

Here is my question, Paul: if two people get drunk and have sex, why is it the man's fault? Shouldn't they both go to jail for rape?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, he's still pushing "she was raped" when two people got drunk together and fucked.

He has to be trolling at this point.

And you're still ineffective on this topic. Did you find the crux of the scenarios in Lune's post?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my question, Paul: if two people get drunk and have sex, why is it the man's fault?

Never stated or implied that this would be the case.

[haksum]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have someone with a deplorable fucking idea, it discredits anything else they might have contributed to society by association.

Let's just go ahead and unlearn everything that has come from the advancements made in DNA by James Watson and company because he thinks women belong in kitchens and black people aren't as smart as white people. Sounds like a good plan.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

The whole idea that rape happens in dark parking lots "in certain areas of town" is a myth. Not a total one (of course some people do get raped by complete strangers in dark alleyways), but the majority of rapes are actually acquaintance rapes. The most common place for a rape to occur is in the home of the victim, and the second most common is in the home of the attacker (who of course the victim didn't realize was a rapist until it was too late).

Try avoiding your own home and the home of anyone you date.

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

0.7% = 1 in 3.
Thank you for illustrating how divorced from reality you are.

Anecdotes and weasel words.

You quoted something about college women, I'm talking about women over the course of their lifetime. Fail.

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy gets drunk and has sex he's a rapist.
Girl gets drunk and has sex she's a victim.

If you drunk drive and hit a drunk pedestrian do you get to say "well they were drunk too"? Of course not. Same deal here: no matter how drunk you are, if you have sex with a man or woman who can't give consent (ie. is passed out or otherwise completely incapacitated) you are raping him/her. If he/she's drunk, but able to move around, talk, etc. he/she is capable of giving consent; it is NOT rape if he/she later withdraws consent after the sex, regardless of alcohol.

This isn't my view of the world, this is how the law works (in California and in most if not all other states, though the details vary by state).

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you show where you get this number? Certainly that many aren't being reported to the police, and I'm having a hard time finding where this number comes from.

I learned it back in college when I was a Rape Peer Prevention Educator, and it was based on studies that I can't find now. Instead, here's the best I could come up with in five minutes of Googling. These stats are a little lower than the ones I was taught (1 in 5 or 6 instead of 1 in 3 or 4), but keep in mind however that rape is notoriously under-reported, both because of misinformation about what actually qualifies as rape and because there is a stigma to being raped, so these studies are likely not showing the full picture.

And of course, regardless of whether it's 1 in 3 or 1 in 6, even 1 in 6 is WAY too much.

Rape prevalence among women in the U.S. (the percentage of women who experienced rape at least once in their lifetime so far) is in the range of 15–20%, with different studies disagreeing with each other. (National Violence against Women survey, 1995, found 17.6% prevalence rate;[8] a 2007 national study for the Department of Justice on rape found 18% prevalence rate.[9])

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).1

https://www.rainn.org/get-informatio...ssault-victims

Nearly one in five women surveyed said they had been raped or had experienced an attempted rape at some point, and one in four reported having been beaten by an intimate partner. One in six women have been stalked, according to the report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/he...ault.html?_r=0

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You quoted something about*college*women, I'm talking about women over the course of their lifetime. Fail.

It lists more than just that... try actually reading next time.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It lists more than just that... try actually reading next time.

Quoting the entire link:

December 11, 2014 NCJ 248471

Compares the characteristics of rape and sexual assault victimization against females ages 18 to 24 who are enrolled and not enrolled in college. This report examines the relationship between the victim and offender, the involvement of a weapon, location of the victimization, reporting to police, perceived offender characteristics, and victim demographics. Data are from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which collects information on nonfatal crimes, reported and not reported to the police, against persons from a nationally representative sample of U.S. households. The report also discusses methodological differences between the NCVS and other surveys that measure rape and sexual assault victimization and the impact of these difference on rape and sexual assault estimates.

Highlights:

The rate of rape and sexual assault was 1.2 times higher for nonstudents (7.6 per 1,000) than for students (6.1 per 1,000).
For both college students and nonstudents, the offender was known to the victim in about 80% of rape and sexual assault victimizations.
Most (51%) student rape and sexual assault victimizations occurred while the victim was pursuing leisure activities away from home, compared to nonstudents who were engaged in other activities at home (50%) when the victimization occurred.
The offender had a weapon in about 1 in 10 rape and sexual assault victimizations against both students and nonstudents.
Rape and sexual assault victimizations of students (80%) were more likely than nonstudent victimizations (67%) to go unreported to police.

Everything there is about students. Now if you expect me to read an entire dense 20-page PDF of the study results just because you can't be bothered to provide a proper quote ... no.

[Cecily]

Well, besides the nonstudents part.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, besides the nonstudents part.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, besides the nonstudents part.

Man, I have to spell out everything (also, stop encouraging Kabuto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

against females ages 18 to 24 who are enrolled and not enrolled in college

It doesn't matter whether its including non-students, it's not including women outside the student age range (ie. over 24).