The plight of the Kagatob

[Cecily]

You're just making sweeping comments. If you look past the antisemitism, I'm sure he had some great contributions to offer radical feminism.

[paulgiamatti]

You can't compare Hitler with radical feminists, I'm sorry. I don't care how much they've pissed you off, and yeah I'm sure it sucks, but mass genocide and the enslavement of an entire people is just simply not in the same ballpark as even the most bigoted version radical feminism.

[Cecily]

Bullshit I can't. If you have someone with a deplorable fucking idea, it discredits anything else they might have contributed to society by association.

[paulgiamatti]

Did you not read the last few pages of the thread?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't compare Hitler with radical feminists, I'm sorry.

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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think they're as mutually exclusive as you think. I mean, I'd still close the book, but just because I've chosen not to pay any attention to them doesn't mean that everything they do and say is irrelevant. I think this was pretty well implied in my previous posts, though I do tend to make a lot of broad, sweeping statements that can be easily misunderstood. When I said, "I don't pay any attention to them because they don't matter," I'm just talking about their views on trans issues - that post was more for the sake of saying "because" was a better word than "therefore" rather than saying radical feminists that get something wrong are irrelevant.

Ok I'll accept that. Though I still have a hunch that the cognitive dissonance in your posting is at best a precursor to the direction your thinking methods are heading.

[paulgiamatti]

Well, that settles it then! Feminists = the Nazi army, Dworkin = Hitler, mass extinction of the male species imminent.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that settles it then! Feminists = the Nazi army, Dworkin = Hitler, mass extinction of the male species imminent.

Have you seen hashtag #killallmen ?

[paulgiamatti]

Oh wait, Andrea Dworkin is deceased. I suppose the feminist regime could use her as a martyr though.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bullshit I can't. If you have someone with a deplorable fucking idea, it discredits anything else they might have contributed to society by association.

Really? Disney was an anti-semite; does that discredit Lady and the Tramp and Bambi by association? Rudyard Kipling was a deplorable racist, but does that make the Jungle Book a bad story?

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Now don't get me wrong, I have ZERO tolerance for discrimination against transgender people (or the rest of the LGBT community), and I very strongly disagree with any feminist theorist who uses their position to preach bigotry.

But c'mon, people are complicated, and you have to consider their backgrounds. Rudyard Kipling was shaped by imperial England, he wasn't just a racist in a vacuum. Those crazy feminists who hate on transgender people probably had some horrible stuff done to them by men. Even Hitler had his art shat on by some Jewish art school people.

Does that excuse the Holocaust, or transphobia, or Kipling's racism? Of course not. But you can't just categorically deny those people's contributions because they were flawed. EVERYONE is flawed in some way, and there'd be no great works of art or literature if we threw out the ones made by flawed individuals

... well, except maybe Hitler; not sure he really contributed anything in the first place that can be discredited.